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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Overtaxed
Well it would have been 4 if that sneak hadn't butted in!
3,701 posted on 04/29/2002 4:28:02 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I'm a sneak? So says Ms. Anti-Elf Gollum-friend!
3,702 posted on 04/29/2002 4:28:58 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
AWWWW! Now look who's bad! And after I did all that work!
3,703 posted on 04/29/2002 4:29:13 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
Sneak!
3,704 posted on 04/29/2002 4:30:57 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
(don't click that link in class without headphones!)
3,705 posted on 04/29/2002 4:31:40 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Thanks for the warning. I'll check when I, er, sneak out and go back to my room.
3,706 posted on 04/29/2002 4:32:53 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
See...I'm a good hobbit to give fair warning!
3,707 posted on 04/29/2002 4:36:20 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Greetings! I have escaped from durance vile and am heading to the chat room as I type. See you there? I've got wings!
3,708 posted on 04/29/2002 5:35:45 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB;Overtaxed;Penny1;carton253
Did the hobbits have a nice day today while I was working and toiling so hard? I am home now... Just rolled in. Is everyone still here? - Have you been to Zombo.com? - You can do anything there!
3,709 posted on 04/29/2002 6:02:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Can't speak for anyone else, but this hobbit had a nice day.:)

BTW, just read a book called "Harry Potter and The Bible"; I mention it only because there is a chapter in there re: LOTR.......basically praising it & drawing distinctions between Tolkien's writings and the H.P. series, the most obvious being the clear delination between good & evil that exists in Tolkiens' work, but is somewhat blurred in Rowling's. A good read.

3,710 posted on 04/29/2002 6:28:48 PM PDT by MozartLover
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To: Overtaxed
On these warm, sunny days the Gamgee in me comes out with a rush and I must get the garden in. Too sore and tired to post but I love it!
3,711 posted on 04/29/2002 7:22:28 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: MozartLover
Hullo! Did you ever join the chat room? - We are there now... Do we need to try Plan C?
3,712 posted on 04/29/2002 7:32:55 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: DonnerT
Me too! The only problem is that my vegetable garden is at the folks' house which is around 60 miles away from "my house." So basically the only time I have to potter is on the weekends.
3,713 posted on 04/29/2002 7:38:49 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Okay, I just tried joining again, and I think I did it right this time.:) I'll wait to hear from you.
3,714 posted on 04/29/2002 8:24:47 PM PDT by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover
OK - You're in! - You were already in when I went to approve you - Penny was quick on the draw! - Unfortunately - you have missed the chatters already. They all said they were going to bed. Tired hobbits tonight. But maybe you can join us tomorrow! - Go check things out there if you like - There are a lot of files, photos and site links in there for you to peruse!
3,715 posted on 04/29/2002 8:35:41 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: DonnerT
I am the same way! We have a beautiful garden, although during the winter it looks like 8 very large burial sites! In the Fall, we haul in a full truckload of zoo manure into the backyard and pile it onto the 4x10' beds. We dig it in a little and then cover all the beds in a thick layer of hay. Lately we've been pulling the hay aside and digging in the dirt alittle, mixing things up...although everything is pretty composted by now. We plant our transplants and then draw the hay up around each plant again, adding more as needed. We rarely have a weed! Sometimes we may have to pull the hay aside and look for a cutworm that's damaging our plants but we only have to do that a few times to get that problem under control. Cabbage loopers are one of our biggest pests, and last year we had gophers that would pull huge plants clear down into the ground! This year we wrapped the roots of our transplants in steel wool and have not had a problem yet with gophers.

I have a sage plant that is the size of a moderate shrub and it's blooming and beautiful! We also had more asparagus than we could eat this year and the horseradish is just going crazy.

Our garden is completely organic and usually a big success!

3,716 posted on 04/29/2002 8:44:54 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
YAY!!!!!!!

Looking forward to chatting with y'all later!!!

3,717 posted on 04/30/2002 5:02:30 AM PDT by MozartLover
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To: 2Jedismom
I've got to get me one of these!

Is that thing really a "Celtic" instrument?

3,718 posted on 04/30/2002 5:11:10 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: MozartLover
"the clear delination between good & evil that exists in Tolkiens' work, but is somewhat blurred in Rowling's"

I liked the Harry Potter books pretty well, read them with my daughter and found them charming. I didn't see the delineation as blurred at all in them, just see the books as generally more lightweight in every way than LOTR. In spite of all the (I think unwarrented) controversy about them, I see them as a good influence on kids, unlike, say, most TV or Hollywood stuff.

But I'm glad that LOTR is our book.

3,719 posted on 04/30/2002 5:33:57 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree;MozartLover;2Jedismom;All
Good Morninng!

I went to that whistle site. They didn't have any sound files so you could tell what the individual whistles sound like.

2JM, did you order your whistle yet?

3,720 posted on 04/30/2002 5:36:15 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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