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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
Did you just call GWTW a soap opera?

Yep!

37,141 posted on 10/25/2002 7:54:00 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: carton253
I watch General Hospital! Brenda's back! Yeah! I'm addicted... I love it.

Don't you get tired of watching stupid people meddle in other people's affairs when they can't even get their own acts together?

37,142 posted on 10/25/2002 7:55:28 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: All
See you guys later.
37,143 posted on 10/25/2002 7:55:39 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Overtaxed
Heretic!
37,144 posted on 10/25/2002 7:57:48 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Sam Cree
Bye Sam!
37,145 posted on 10/25/2002 7:58:08 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed; carton253
Don't you get tired of watching stupid people meddle in other people's affairs when they can't even get their own acts together?

Yes, but I still like FreeRepublic...

37,146 posted on 10/25/2002 7:58:43 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed
No, because it makes me seem like my frazzled, fragmented life look better.

I don't watch all the stories. That's why I tape it. I only watch two stories. I like the characters, I like the story lines, and I love to watch good soap opera acting. (Bad soap opera acting is the worst kind of acting)

So, every day, I watch the going-ons in Port Charles. And at lunch, I tune in to All My Children, but if I miss it for a day, a week, a month, I don't really care.

37,147 posted on 10/25/2002 8:00:21 AM PDT by carton253
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To: Sam Cree
Bye Sam!
37,148 posted on 10/25/2002 8:00:51 AM PDT by carton253
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To: Corin Stormhands; carton253; Overtaxed
Did you just call GWTW a soap opera?

I'da called it somethin' worse... couldn't stand it... and couldn't and haven't watched the whole flick... mind numbing drivel about immature, selfish, self centered people living wasted lives... sounds alot like a soap to me...

37,149 posted on 10/25/2002 8:02:30 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: carton253; Corin Stormhands
I used to watch them.... And I am not even southern. I had no idea it was a southern thing!

But haven't watched them since the days of Luke and Laura.
37,150 posted on 10/25/2002 8:04:44 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: carton253
Similar situation here.

We just received a 2 and a half year old bill from our daughter's birth...trying to extort an additional $400 from us.

It was a P.I.T.A., but I fought it, and won.
37,151 posted on 10/25/2002 8:06:03 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: g'nad
I am not surprised, g'nad, that you don't like GWTW!

I have never seen it. Nor read it. Can you believe that? And I am a chick!
37,152 posted on 10/25/2002 8:06:43 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Yes, but I still like FreeRepublic...

good one bro...

37,153 posted on 10/25/2002 8:07:55 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: carton253
I think it is a very well written book on the impact of the Civil War and Reconstruction on Atlanta.

I only saw the movie. And what I saw (soap opera) didn't make me want to read the book.

37,154 posted on 10/25/2002 8:08:33 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
Yes, but I still like FreeRepublic...

Hehehe.....heyyyyyy!!

37,155 posted on 10/25/2002 8:09:59 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
Oh, no. The book is wonderful. The movie is horrible melodrama terribly overacted (style of the day)

I think you will like the book. It is very good.

Like I said, the movie is bad.

37,156 posted on 10/25/2002 8:10:01 AM PDT by carton253
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To: HairOfTheDog
Can you believe that? And I am a chick!

Yup, and yes you are!... it was a waste of time IMO, so I'm glad to hear you chose not to waste yer time on it...shows you got taste... between that and yer diet of red meat off the bone, yer my kinda gal...

37,157 posted on 10/25/2002 8:10:11 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: carton253
I think you will like the book. It is very good.

tried to, couldn't finish it...

37,158 posted on 10/25/2002 8:11:19 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
couldn't stand it... and couldn't and haven't watched the whole flick

I watched the whole thing once. I liked the photography and Clark was something nice to look at....

37,159 posted on 10/25/2002 8:11:44 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad; carton253
I'da called it somethin' worse... couldn't stand it... and couldn't and haven't watched the whole flick...

Now, now g'nad. Just like we tell the cave trolls, it's okay to not like something (cave trolls and LOTR, g'nad and GWTW) without trashing it for everyone else...

GWTW is a sappy romance to be sure. But it's an interesting (and fairly accurate) study of the people and that era in the south.

37,160 posted on 10/25/2002 8:12:52 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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