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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, thank you!

As to your homeschooling post... well, I personally would never in a trillion years put a kid in the public school systems. There are sacrifices that can be made... single income, help from relatives, whatever, but if it's possible I will do it. Of course there are people who shouldn't homeschool. But, on the whole, these days at least, public schools do not properly educate children. When I go to college and am the only person in the class who can A. write a coherent essay B. have a consistent worldview and C. accomplish such simple feats as placing Homer as BC rather than AD, that says something to me.

However, FR is rather tilted in favor of homeschooling and I suppose we need some people like you to say otherwise.

35,221 posted on 10/17/2002 7:28:42 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
Uh oh... missing /font tag? Does that still happen?
35,222 posted on 10/17/2002 7:37:32 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: JenB
So when you say you wouldn't put a kid in public schools, I can believe that... you know what you know...

I just know what I know, and can't imagine doing anything else either. I think I am OK too. But I live in a good area. I can imagine homeschooling young kids, but not older ones, but that is me, and what I think I personally could offer compared to what is out there.

As for having a consistent world view at 19... Mine changed three times at least, probably all in college. I don't regret that. I don't regret that I was exposed to and tried out views that were new and not those of my parents. I think that is the time that I had the freedom to choose to come back to a view that is more like my father than I ever would have imagined.

35,223 posted on 10/17/2002 7:40:26 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Did I forget to close it? - It looks normal to me.... did my Roman font continue?
35,224 posted on 10/17/2002 7:41:49 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
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35,225 posted on 10/17/2002 7:43:00 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yes, it's a weirdness! The Roman font continues in one browser, but in the other browser it looks perfectly normal...

Let's try this...

35,226 posted on 10/17/2002 7:47:56 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Am I a friend, a roman, or a countryman?
35,227 posted on 10/17/2002 7:48:51 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I look normal in my browser (IE) but I have set a specified font here.... arial, I am not using the default font.
35,228 posted on 10/17/2002 7:50:58 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
That didn't work...

Let's try this...

35,229 posted on 10/17/2002 7:51:22 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Great, I'll let you know when I have it :-)

Not to sound naive, but the one part of web design I don't have much experience in is publishing the stuff online. How will we get it from our computers to your website? Will you have to update? That would be a pain for you...

35,230 posted on 10/17/2002 7:52:21 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
What are we trying?
35,231 posted on 10/17/2002 7:52:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; HairOfTheDog
What browsers are you using? I see everything perfectly normal. You're not using Netscape or something stupid are you?
35,232 posted on 10/17/2002 7:53:12 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
He does use something stupid like Netscape.... LOL!
35,233 posted on 10/17/2002 7:55:18 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
You know there's a reason Netscape is packaged with AOL... at my company, we design our software to be IE compatible, no need to worry about Netscape anymore.
35,234 posted on 10/17/2002 7:58:30 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB
I tried changing the font face back... it looks ok in Netscape, but Opera still has the Roman font face for everything, very odd.

And Netscape isn't stupid.

35,235 posted on 10/17/2002 8:01:26 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Ever tried IE? Or you just like bein' difffernt?
35,236 posted on 10/17/2002 8:03:47 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
How will we get it from our computers to your website?

I think I can set up an FTP account for you to use, so all you will have to do is log in with an FTP client and upload your finished HTML file. I won't mind having to do a little update work either, if it's required... linking to the new page, for instace.

35,237 posted on 10/17/2002 8:04:30 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
I've tried IE, I don't care for it.

I use the last pre-AOL Netscape, version 4.8.
35,238 posted on 10/17/2002 8:06:20 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh, and I like being different too.

:)
35,239 posted on 10/17/2002 8:07:01 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; JenB
I think there is plenty of space at the Yahoo Hole... too, for you guys to upload your stuff....

Even if we ran out of space, I could download backups of some of the fringe stuff, like the Mac versions of the books... (I don't think we have any Mac members anymore) for safekeeping to make room.
35,240 posted on 10/17/2002 8:08:43 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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