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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: HairOfTheDog
But I never spammed to get them.... [smug!]

We'll see, I'm only 5,000 posts into the thread so far.....

34,441 posted on 10/15/2002 4:09:00 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
I feel like I am being audited by the IRS.... ;~D
34,442 posted on 10/15/2002 4:18:35 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
Aahhhhh.....a nice cup of hot tea and a warm kitty curled up beside me....just the thing for watching cold, dreary rain!

I have a warm kitty in my lap now, but no tea. :-( However, I have a nice apple baking in the oven now, so life isn't all bad!

34,443 posted on 10/15/2002 6:09:04 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: 2Jedismom
Any questions?

Yeah...can you overnight me a batch?

I seriously need to find Mom's lemon glaze cookies. They weren't the type to store well, but they never lasted long enough to need storing! Basically they were sort of soft, mildly lemon cookies that you then drizzled with a (very!) lemony glaze while they were still warm. Mmmm!

34,444 posted on 10/15/2002 6:11:36 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
I think it's got something to do with the way our CTO at work has networked the firewalls. For some reason, Yahoo is no esta.

I have yet to try it here at home...but I shall.
34,445 posted on 10/15/2002 6:15:16 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: Corin Stormhands
Where's the stinky dwarf today?

busy...I'll 'splain later...

How's the homely dwarf?...

34,446 posted on 10/15/2002 6:18:30 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: ksen
Kevin, I don't mind at all about the dry house, I'm just very impressed with your generosity in making it available to us all. I want to be alert for the movie(s) anyway.

However, if we go out to dinner somewhere, I might have a pint or two, as a proper hobbit should.

Do you think we should have the mini moot?
34,447 posted on 10/15/2002 6:37:57 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: 2Jedismom
I'm OK with the lemon, 2J, put more in if you want. It was probably the secret of lembas anyway.
34,448 posted on 10/15/2002 6:40:01 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Sweet day in the morning!

I'm in the Hobbit Hole Yahoo! Group! Huzzah!

Now...I'm there in the chat room...all by my lonesome...
34,449 posted on 10/15/2002 6:40:29 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Don't forget to vote, then, just don't vote for Buchanan by mistake.
34,450 posted on 10/15/2002 6:50:45 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Already did!

I'm still holding out high hopes of attending Entmoot, but the road looks difficult.

Like Sam and Frodo at the steps of Cirith Ungol...I must persevere.
34,451 posted on 10/15/2002 6:54:16 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
I was touched by your story.... how sad to be in a chat room with no one to chat with! - I just went and peeked... but you were gone!

I hope you played with the toys we have there... the files section is good! - Full copies of most of the books are there for download... makes it nice for copying and pasting quotes or searching for something.
34,452 posted on 10/15/2002 7:11:00 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yes, I was distracted by the shiny pictures.

I hijacked the "Mordor Charging the Line" picture, and made it my desktop image.
34,453 posted on 10/15/2002 7:15:21 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: HairOfTheDog
I also just checked out the audio section.

I've been scouring the earth for an audio clip of Gandalf facing the Balrog on the Bridge of Khazad-Dum, but to no avail.

"You cannot pass! I am the servant of the Secret Fire...wielder of the Flame of Anor. Dark Fire will not avail you, Flame of Udun. Go back to the Shadow! You shall not pass!"

I think that would be a pretty awesome track to have as my Windows Start-up.

Any ideas?
34,454 posted on 10/15/2002 7:19:00 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Well, I am glad you found your way around! We use the chat room from time to time, for chat views or live events we can all watch together, or just to chit chat. Sometimes announced, sometimes it just happens!

34,455 posted on 10/15/2002 7:22:35 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
I don't know how to record sounds... I have the bootleg of the movie, so I could get it, but I don't know what software one would use to make a sound clip, do you? - I would do it, I just don't know how!
34,456 posted on 10/15/2002 7:24:20 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; ecurbh
Looks like ecurbh is the one who knows how (looking in the sounds section) Ecurbh? - How do we do this? - See above.
34,457 posted on 10/15/2002 7:26:49 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Sam Cree; RMDupree
Kevin, I don't mind at all about the dry house....

Whew, after the last couple of days chatter I thought my having a dry house would put some people off. I'm glad I was wrong. ;^)

However, if we go out to dinner somewhere, I might have a pint or two, as a proper hobbit should.

And that is entirely your prerogative. I have no desire to control what people do. I just have some things I don't want in my house.

Do you think we should have the mini moot?

I would like to mini moot if we can arrange it. If it is just us FL hobbits then it may be more convenient to do it in Miami since that is where half of us are from.

It would be entirely up to you or RMDupree if you wanted to open your home up to a FoTR viewing before a TTT viewing. We could make it a day trip thing since I am only about 3 hours away so overnight accomodations shouldn't be a factor.

If we do then either soon after the 18th or the first couple weeks of January will be best for me. I will be out of town from 1/13-1/17 (I believe those are the correct dates, I will have to verify them later).

34,458 posted on 10/15/2002 7:31:41 PM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
No, I don't know how...it's bugging me. Even if I had the software to rip audio clips, I don't have a DVD-ROM on my PC.

However, if the LOTR soundtrack has audio clips on it, I could very easily rip and mp3 the file with my burner.

Does anyone here know if the Soundtrack has audio clips?
34,459 posted on 10/15/2002 7:35:29 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
No - The soundtrack doesn't have the clips.... But I have the movie on my computer is an .avi file. Windows media player... so we just have to figure out how to record from that! Ecurbh knows I bet.
34,460 posted on 10/15/2002 7:50:43 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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