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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ecurbh
hehehehe "Gutwakh the Squeaker" The Squeaker? - Oh I bet you got picked on all the time in orc school with a name like that!
3,261 posted on 04/24/2002 3:14:04 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh
Hmm... now pronounce that Elf name! It sounds more Danish than Elvish if you ask me.
3,262 posted on 04/24/2002 3:15:23 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm not a clarinet or saxophone player! How did I end up with a name like "Squeaker"?
3,263 posted on 04/24/2002 3:16:11 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: 2JedisMom;Penny1;JenB;htur_75;Overtaxed;Carton253
You know... maybe this is the moment when I crossed over that line, but wouldn't it be cool if hooded cloaks could become fashionable? - I would buy one! - and I think men are sexy in them, especially with a sword on his belt.
3,264 posted on 04/24/2002 3:17:49 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
The Squeaker? - Oh I bet you got picked on all the time in orc school with a name like that!

Probably by Bâzzag the Wicked.

3,265 posted on 04/24/2002 3:18:39 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: ecurbh
I don't know, but I wouldn't advertise the Squeaker name in orc circles.
3,266 posted on 04/24/2002 3:19:00 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'd probably get the cloak caught in the car door more often than not.
3,267 posted on 04/24/2002 3:20:46 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh, yeah, ITA! Why do you think I read fantasy novels? There's just something about those cloaked, mysterious figures with a battered sword and a secret past... hmm, how could we start this fashion trend?
3,268 posted on 04/24/2002 3:23:52 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Well, for starters, one of us needs to sew.
3,269 posted on 04/24/2002 3:30:33 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom
That would not be me. I can't sew. I gave it up in... oh, third grade.

2JM, can you sew? Willing to use your little jedi to make a fashion statement?

3,270 posted on 04/24/2002 3:33:45 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
That was a cool site;

Red Book-Confused Dragon (what is with that)

Elf-Beletharan (not bad)

Hobbit-Ilberic Burrows from Gridley Island (huh?)

Dwarf-Garin Craftyarm (not bad at all)

Orc-Snikrukh the Tearer (nice play on words there)

The personality test last time had me as a dwarf so I guess ol' GC isn't too bad.

3,271 posted on 04/24/2002 3:39:48 PM PDT by osagebowman
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To: osagebowman
Gridley Island?? I thought they used real place names.
3,272 posted on 04/24/2002 3:41:13 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: osagebowman;ecurbh
There's a Gridley Island in Middle Earth?
3,273 posted on 04/24/2002 3:57:50 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
That would be where I was christened "Corin Stormhands."
3,274 posted on 04/24/2002 4:03:34 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla;ecurbh;all
By the way, for those of you that were watching the Eagle Cam before, it was down for a day or two and is back up. - Unfortunately so is the branch :(

No babies yet, saw both eggses a bit ago when eagles were both up walkin around. One of them came and brought some kind of dinner to the other... I thought that was nice.

3,275 posted on 04/24/2002 5:33:01 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog;Overtaxed;Penny1;2Jedismom
Oh, nice eagles!

Who's around tonight? The chat room doesn't seem to be giving any problems, at least not on my end.

3,276 posted on 04/24/2002 5:38:32 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
I am there.
3,277 posted on 04/24/2002 5:43:00 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Great news about the Eagle Cam!
3,278 posted on 04/24/2002 6:09:02 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
I tested at...

Download: 1209 kbps

Upload: 308 kbps

I wonder how much that's affected by general internet speed, though. We might have to both do it at the same on the same server for a real comparison. I think the internet runs a bit faster at night, generally, which is when I ran the test...

Cool site!

3,279 posted on 04/24/2002 8:37:28 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
Well, your download is faster than I thought DSL was, and they aren't equal either. I guess everything I thought was true isn't! - It is a cool site... I just ran it again and mine was actually slightly slower than it was earlier. It is usually in that ball-park. I was using the California server in the test.
3,280 posted on 04/24/2002 8:50:21 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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