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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: carton253
Smeagol has been very, very good!
3,201 posted on 04/24/2002 12:14:53 PM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
I am a student, yes, rather than obsessed. There are people who do most of those things... but I'm living in a house, not a hole or a tree, I don't speak Quenya, and I suffer no delusions of hobbit-hood.

However, I do know a very bad Smeagol who is going to get punished if Smeagol does not watch out!

3,202 posted on 04/24/2002 12:16:12 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
Figwit, huh? Are any of those dark-haired Elves at the Council of Elrond the sons of Elrond?
3,203 posted on 04/24/2002 12:16:14 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
No, you don't. And like I've stated before... I love when you post because I learn so much.

I am a writer. Not a good one... and what amazes me about the books in the richness of his characters and the courage of his story. Tolkien has managed to create this world, give it flawed characters, remain true to the characters, and really write a fantastic piece of literature.

So, I love to learn because every piece of information I get just blows my mind more and more. He was a genius.

That's why I like Smeagol. Really, Smeagol is the bad guy (for Frodo and Sam). But Tolkien doesn't just make him bad. By, splitting his personality, making him a hoot, giving him some of the best lines in the books, but, yet staying true to the purpose of the character, I find myself enthralled by the depths and richness of a Stoor Hobbit gone bad. Smeagol shimmers... and all the characters do that.

3,204 posted on 04/24/2002 12:20:34 PM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
Agree with everything you say, as a fellow "not very good" writer.

Smeagol shimmers...like a shiny pool of oil, colorful but poisonous, fascinating in its vileness?

3,205 posted on 04/24/2002 12:24:27 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
"Figwit", huh?... I know what you got on your mind...

I've known a few Kiwis in my day, between the Corps and Rugby...great guys...never could really figure them out though...

Thanks for the story link...it's a perfect example of the Kiwi syndrome...how can a house that blends so well be an eyesore?...For greenies, that's pretty contradictory...

Now...where can I gets me one these FOTR that're floating around? And please nothing too complicated...as far as technology is concerned. I belong in the Third Age...

3,206 posted on 04/24/2002 12:24:51 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed
That's what I had assumed--that the ones seated near Elrond and Aragorn were the sons of Elrond...can't remember how many were there, though.
3,207 posted on 04/24/2002 12:25:34 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
Weren't there two, one on each side of Elrond, and then a third hanging around? Now I'll have to watch it again tonight...this time pintless! :(
3,208 posted on 04/24/2002 12:28:24 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
Yes... if Tolkien had left him just vile... But, when we first meet him in The Hobbit, he is creepy. In fact, Gollum is the character I remember all these years after my forced read of the book. And my impression of him is he is creepy.

But, Tolkien didn't leave him vile. He made him funny. And to me, he is funny. Down to his syntax. But, then, Tolkien showed us... like lightening in a dark room... you can see, then you can't... just who Gollum was. He was a murderer yes... but, right before Sam called him a sneak, Tolkien writes, that if you had looked closely you would have seen an old hobbit, too many years removed from his friends and his family and all that was familiar.

So, here is this bad guy. He has murdered and technically, he will murder again (Frodo by Shelob and Sam by his own hands). But, in the oil, is this complex character (just as complex as any other character in literature) that I can't help feel sorry for. I love him! He is, without a doubt, my second favorite character in literature. Sydney Carton from Tale of Two Cities being the first.

3,209 posted on 04/24/2002 12:32:38 PM PDT by carton253
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To: Overtaxed
I think that's right....one on each side of Elrond, and then one ("Figwit" I think), seated next to Aragorn.

How many sons of Elrond are there in the book? I was thinking it was 2, but maybe there were 3?

3,210 posted on 04/24/2002 12:33:26 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
Elrond has two sons, Elladan and Elrohir. 'Figwit' is no relation.
3,211 posted on 04/24/2002 12:35:19 PM PDT by JenB
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To: carton253
I made this one just for you (sorry it's so dark):


3,212 posted on 04/24/2002 12:35:20 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: JenB
So Elladan and Elrohir are the ones seated next to Elrond at the Council?
3,213 posted on 04/24/2002 12:35:50 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
Thank you... I've wanted this picture. Isn't he the cutest thing... (I know, I'm warped)
3,214 posted on 04/24/2002 12:36:16 PM PDT by carton253
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To: Penny1
Yes, that's right. 'Figwit' is just some nameless Elf who is almost 100% definitely not named Figwit. That's not a very Elvish name!
3,215 posted on 04/24/2002 12:36:43 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Penny1
Just 2...Elladan and Elrohir....and then there's Arwen.
3,216 posted on 04/24/2002 12:36:47 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Penny1
Dang! A lot of posting went on in 3 minutes!
3,217 posted on 04/24/2002 12:38:09 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Penny1
Yes - You are, I think, the same speed up and down. Cable, because it is marketed for home use, has partitioned their bandwidth to give the fastest download and not upload.

My speed just tested here at
1443 kbps download (which falls between "awesome" and "insane" on the scale ;~D) and
125 kbps upload (which is only about twice as fast as a 56K modem).

Test yours there when you are home, and let me know, I am curious about my theory.

3,218 posted on 04/24/2002 12:38:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad;Overtaxed
First off, I cannot explain Figwit. I am not a fan of Figwit, his phenomenon is an example of others who are worse than me, not me!

As for the copies of the film check up-thread a bit (last hour's worth of posts) for the download sites... KaZaa, IMesh, and some other place ecurbh mentioned. If you don't have cable or DSL, I am afraid it would take a week to download it, but if you are on a high speed connection, I can help explain the process if you are interested.

3,219 posted on 04/24/2002 12:46:30 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
If anyone on this thread understands the Figwit phenomenon....

....please, get help. And don't try to explain it to us, either. There are some places even Hobbits should not go!

3,220 posted on 04/24/2002 12:52:08 PM PDT by JenB
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