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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Corin Stormhands
Hmmm...you guys are probably right. Maybe it's a bad idea to taunt Nazgul.
27,621 posted on 09/25/2002 1:39:49 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
Sneak...
27,622 posted on 09/25/2002 1:40:28 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Sneak...
27,623 posted on 09/25/2002 1:40:29 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Sneak...
27,624 posted on 09/25/2002 1:40:30 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Sneak...
27,625 posted on 09/25/2002 1:40:30 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Sneak...
27,626 posted on 09/25/2002 1:40:31 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Psyche!!!
27,627 posted on 09/25/2002 1:40:43 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
You're missing a Nazgul........

Sheesh! Somebody has to take the picture!

Which is why if there were crimes committed when my family was at the beach this summer, there is no evidence that I was even there...

27,628 posted on 09/25/2002 1:42:30 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen; HairOfTheDog
Psyche!!!

I think you meant Psycho. Hmmmm "Psycho ksen" would fit nicely in the keywords...

27,629 posted on 09/25/2002 1:44:51 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: All
Later folkses. Choir practice tonite.
27,630 posted on 09/25/2002 1:49:20 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Have fun! What are you folks practicing? For church, right?
27,631 posted on 09/25/2002 1:50:01 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Yes. Church choir. We're pretty contemporary with what we do. Sometimes I miss the more formal choral stuff, but not enough to go somewhere else.

We start our rehearsals for our Christmas production tomorrow night. It's a huge theatrical production. We do 19 public performances for 25,000 people with a cast of around 400.

Gotta run.

27,632 posted on 09/25/2002 1:53:50 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Gotta run.

Apparently everyone ran with you! - I am back home... Pretty quiet day, easy to catch up! More conferencing tomorrow... longer day even than today. :(

I see the Guild is still upset that the Emmys weren't news. I have no response to that! I don't see any shame at all in not being news!

Other than that, anything happening?

Tomorrow, I have to pick up a carpooler, so I thought it would be nice to vacuum out my car! - Better do that before I become to sedentary! - Back in a bit!

27,633 posted on 09/25/2002 4:55:31 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hello! Looks like an unpleasant news day today. My life is still good. How is your conference, Hair?

Anyone heard from LCS today by any chance?

27,634 posted on 09/25/2002 5:39:26 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB; ksen
I don't think we have heard anything yet....

Ksen? - any chance you have heard from LCS?
27,635 posted on 09/25/2002 5:41:44 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm seething. Nothing like going into a tiny hardware store to make a girl feel second-class. Back that up with going to a computer-oriented class full of really stupid women and a few men, and.... I think I hate women again.
27,636 posted on 09/25/2002 5:55:37 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Ok - first tell me what happened at the hardware store...
27,637 posted on 09/25/2002 5:59:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Relax and tell me from the top....
27,638 posted on 09/25/2002 6:02:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Here's a nice comfy couch...


27,639 posted on 09/25/2002 6:04:07 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh. Wel, I went to return this dolly we rented, before I went to class. So I leave work ten minutes early, figuring that's plenty of time since the place is a minute away.

I get there, there's a bunch of old men talking about cement. They act as if I were not there for at least five minutes, then the oldest and creakiest wanders over, finds the paperwork, and starts. Ten minutes later he announces that there's a 10 fee for the rental. Since I was given the stupid dolly with no mention of payment, I have to dig cash out of my purse. And they're nasty the whole time. Then the guy loses the receipt looks around for ages for it...

I was not late for class only because I lucked out on a parking space. Grr.

27,640 posted on 09/25/2002 6:09:57 PM PDT by JenB
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