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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: RosieCotton
I DETEST that creature...

Same here. I was just pointing to the reference in the article. It would've been cool to see him blown up in Episode II, except that would make him a martyr...I just hope we don't see him in Episode III (which I'll see just because, not because I expect it to be worth seeing).

27,241 posted on 09/24/2002 8:05:30 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RosieCotton
I DETEST that creature

more than the ewoks??

27,242 posted on 09/24/2002 8:05:44 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: Corin Stormhands
But I am making some nice Christmas ornaments out of AOL CDs...

I've seen that done...someone took the big bulbed Christmas lights and put the CDS on them (unscrewed the lights and put the CD around the bulb, so to speak, shiny side down). It looked VERY cool! Is that what you're doing?

27,243 posted on 09/24/2002 8:07:02 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB; ksen; Overtaxed; rightwingreligiousfanatic
I have no religious convictions against AOL...

So then, you're volunteering to be the geek that downloads the trailer for the rest of us?

Although, that kinda makes me feel like Elrond saying "I don't want the ring, you take it to your doom..."

27,244 posted on 09/24/2002 8:07:48 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: NewCenturions
I love the EWOKS! They're cute!
27,245 posted on 09/24/2002 8:08:35 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
I will get it, but I do not know the way!
27,246 posted on 09/24/2002 8:09:22 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Isn't that uruk-hai just the ugliest thing?
27,247 posted on 09/24/2002 8:09:44 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: HairOfTheDog
they're just teddy bear ripoffs!
27,248 posted on 09/24/2002 8:10:14 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: RosieCotton
Is that what you're doing?

I may try that as well. I bought some of the big lights last year.

But I'm also gluing two back to back and adding a small silver snowflake type thing in the middle. The reflections of the lights are really cool.

I haven't done it yet, but I'm thinking of something similar for an angel's halo...we'll see if I get time and inspiration.

27,249 posted on 09/24/2002 8:10:31 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
I will get it, but I do not know the way!

Here, take my axe...

27,250 posted on 09/24/2002 8:11:22 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: NewCenturions
more than the ewoks??

WAY more than the ewoks! They're kind of annoying, but I liked them a lot as a kid. And they have interesting music. Jar Jar has NO redeeming qualities. He's pure obnoxiousness in bipedal form.

27,251 posted on 09/24/2002 8:11:39 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
They also make good frisbees for teacup poodles!

AOL is evil and must be destroyed. What would happen if we throw a disk into the Cracks of Doom?

27,252 posted on 09/24/2002 8:12:16 AM PDT by JenB
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To: NewCenturions
How can you hate teddy bears?
27,253 posted on 09/24/2002 8:12:48 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
AOL is evil and must be destroyed. What would happen if we throw a disk into the Cracks of Doom?

Are you volunteering to go find out?

27,254 posted on 09/24/2002 8:13:47 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
You are not supposed to just give me your axe silly! - You are supposed to go with me!
27,255 posted on 09/24/2002 8:13:59 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
"How can you hate teddy bears?"

the bears I like. The ewoks got on my nerves. they mumbled too much
27,256 posted on 09/24/2002 8:14:30 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: JenB
What would happen if we throw a disk into the Cracks of Doom?

I thought that's where they came from...

27,257 posted on 09/24/2002 8:15:25 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ican'tbelieveit; ksen
Yes, that is one of the uglier orcs I have seen.... (he is NOT one of the cute ones ksen!)
27,258 posted on 09/24/2002 8:15:50 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
You are supposed to go with me!

To Mordor, yes. To AOL, NO!

27,259 posted on 09/24/2002 8:16:39 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
AOL is evil and must be destroyed. What would happen if we throw a disk into the Cracks of Doom?

Just wait until the trailer is released. We can use AOL to our benefit, to the benefit of us all.

27,260 posted on 09/24/2002 8:17:14 AM PDT by ksen
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