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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
I saw it! Actually I stole that from Peggy Noonan; in one of her columns she said somehting about shopping at Tarjay. I decided to use the frenchified spelling!

We have a Target opeining a couple of miles from us in Oct., but I was over in Worcester today picking up some meds and remembered the Target there. It was in the Toy Aisle, for those who might be looking for it. I had looked in the gift aisle and saw some chess sets, but not the LoTR one. It wasn't til I was on the way out the door I decided to stop at the Cust. Service desk. They were very helpful!

26,301 posted on 09/19/2002 8:38:11 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
No need to apologize! I'm thrilled! It just took a little effort here in Tulsa, but it turned out ok and makes for a great story, don't you think?

I originally went to one Tulsa Target...the biggest one. They actually had a gap in the toys section that had a pricetag for "Lord of the Rings Chess set" but no sets available. The toys manager said "Oh, I know they are coming in, but I don't when..." That was day before yesterday. Then yesterday I got on the phone and started calling all around, thinking Target didn't have them yet. Then I decided to call the other "smaller" Targets just thinking by chance they'd have one. The one that I found it at was the farthest one from me and in a bad part of town!

But I found it! That's the main thing.
26,302 posted on 09/19/2002 8:38:32 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: RosieCotton
That was just too clean, Rosie. A single sneak precious? Humph and harumph.... I didn't even think about it.

Wouldn't Hair be proud of me?

26,303 posted on 09/19/2002 8:38:51 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: 2Jedismom
Sounds like fun! And not toooo expensive, either. There was a Scottish Games not too far from here this past weekend, but it was something like $30 for a one day pass - no can do!
26,304 posted on 09/19/2002 8:39:49 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: 2Jedismom
I think my sister went to the Scottish Games while she was living in Tulsa a few years ago. She loves going to stuff like that!
26,305 posted on 09/19/2002 8:39:58 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: RosieCotton
It were a fine snaig, sis!
26,306 posted on 09/19/2002 8:40:49 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
That was just too clean, Rosie. A single sneak precious?

Aargh! I miss it by one, and I hadn't even noticed I was close!

26,307 posted on 09/19/2002 8:41:58 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic; Overtaxed
Well...it was just laying there and no one seemed to be making a move, so I thought I'd just step in and help myself!

OT must be busy, or I wouldn't have gotten away with it...

26,308 posted on 09/19/2002 8:42:05 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton; All
I better get busy, myself... I'll check in this afternoon.... Have a good one everybody....
26,309 posted on 09/19/2002 8:46:22 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: RosieCotton
OT must be busy, or I wouldn't have gotten away with it...

That job thing again. :)

26,310 posted on 09/19/2002 9:00:47 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: RosieCotton; 2Jedismom
They have The Highland Games at Grandfather Mountain.
26,311 posted on 09/19/2002 9:03:13 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
That scene isn't on the DVD! I have never seen it! - Has everyone else seen those pics?

Where have you been seeing things and not sharing?!
26,312 posted on 09/19/2002 9:35:24 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Gotta go again... see you all later!
26,313 posted on 09/19/2002 9:37:03 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: All; HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands; g'nad; 2Jedismom; Overtaxed; ksen; SuziQ; RosieCotton; ...
I found out that the daughter of one of our employees is languishing in the hospital with trichinosis. She's had a high fever for days now and it's still touch and go whether she'll get through this. Muriel is a lovely lady (about 45) and we are all hopeful she'll be OK. The family lost one of their sons to cancer not long ago, it is very hard for them to see their daughter in danger.

If any of you guys can offer a prayer, it will be appreciated a lot.
26,314 posted on 09/19/2002 10:08:00 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
You got it Sam.
26,315 posted on 09/19/2002 10:14:31 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Sam Cree
Consider it prayed.
26,316 posted on 09/19/2002 10:15:06 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
Will do, Sam.
26,317 posted on 09/19/2002 10:16:12 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Sam Cree
I can. I will.
26,318 posted on 09/19/2002 10:18:57 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Sam Cree
If any of you guys can offer a prayer, it will be appreciated a lot.

Doing it right now, Sam!!

26,319 posted on 09/19/2002 10:57:18 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hey there HOTDog! Everyone...thanks for the notification...I have seen those pics before, but hey, anything that involves my fav little 'obbit...

Hubby finally broke down and bought a DVD player...we were going to wait until Christmas and get one that could play music CDs as well, but I think he couldnt stand it anymore. I am glad, because I can now watch the DVD I had bought.

Only problem now, the NEIGHBOR is borrowing the DVD...ARGH!

Have been finding out all sorts of little spoilers...its gonna get very very hard for the next few months NOT to look. I swore I was going to avoid it this time, but old habits die hard.

Alkhin

26,320 posted on 09/19/2002 11:03:22 AM PDT by Alkhin
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