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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Overtaxed
Mine?
25,901 posted on 09/16/2002 4:05:03 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
Good night, Gracie!
25,902 posted on 09/16/2002 4:06:17 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Hmm, you're odd tonight. I won fair and square, shotgun spammer!
25,903 posted on 09/16/2002 4:07:49 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
hehehe - I was just kidding....
25,904 posted on 09/16/2002 4:08:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands; 2Jedismom
So... anyone watching this really cool Egypt special on Fox? I love the robot, and archeology is just so cool. This is the best reality TV I've ever seen!
25,905 posted on 09/16/2002 5:16:55 PM PDT by JenB
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To: ksen
Were you over there lurking?

Yeah, I've looked around. No danger of me posting though. I simply wouldn't give them the satisfaction of saying "we knew you'd be back." Plus the fact that I still get nauseous over there. I'd kinda like to stop in at TNS every so often, but don't dare.

The anti-Mormon threads are pretty strong (and there are some Arminians on those also). But the ones that intrigue me are the millenium discussions. The Calvinists are sharply divided on that issue.

My philosophy on all the end times speculation is that if I'm living right when they get here, then I'll be okay no matter what. Otherwise I'm kindling anyway you look at it...

25,906 posted on 09/16/2002 5:24:23 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
They'll probably find some of Al Capone's bootleg beer. :)
25,907 posted on 09/16/2002 5:24:32 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Hey, they just found beer in the overseer's tomb, so I guess you're right.
25,908 posted on 09/16/2002 5:25:40 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
... so if she doesn't understand me, how can she understand Dad?

I dunno Jen. I figure the first 10 to 20 thousand years in eternity will be the Lord explaining men to women and women to men...but that will probably be the abridged version...

25,909 posted on 09/16/2002 5:26:41 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Can I sit in on the guys' class? I don't get women at all.
25,910 posted on 09/16/2002 5:28:01 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB; Overtaxed
Hey, they just found beer in the overseer's tomb, so I guess you're right.

Maybe that's where g'nad is this week...

25,911 posted on 09/16/2002 5:34:19 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
Can I sit in on the guys' class?

You'll have to ask the teacher. ;-)

25,912 posted on 09/16/2002 5:35:18 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Hmm.. well, my sister and I are sitting here quoting lines from "The Mummy" - why is it you can always remember movie lines at the wrong time? - and watching this special. I can't decide if the robot or the Egyptian stuff is cooler.
25,913 posted on 09/16/2002 5:37:24 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
there was a lot about my mom that I wish I could have picked up.

I've learned a great deal from my mom...like how not to be like my mom!

25,914 posted on 09/16/2002 5:40:49 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Grrrr.....blankety-blank blank software!

Do you know how to enter note length in that ABC software?

25,915 posted on 09/16/2002 6:06:24 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
I've learned a great deal from my mom...like how not to be like my mom!

Yes, I know, but your mom and mine were quite different. My mom was a better person than me, and I wish she was more like her.

Evening all! - The Roto-Rooter guy is here, fixin' the drain. He's got a power snake running, and he is gonna charge me more than $10, but at least he is doing it and not me.

25,916 posted on 09/16/2002 6:12:13 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
hehehehe

I wish she I was more like her! - She was enough like her already!

25,917 posted on 09/16/2002 6:13:41 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
Never mind. I've got it.
25,918 posted on 09/16/2002 6:16:33 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
I want my kids to grow up saying things like that. Even all discombobulated, it was nice!
25,919 posted on 09/16/2002 6:29:18 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB
Good evening!

Congrats on the first paycheck... are you going to buy yourself a present with it?

25,920 posted on 09/16/2002 6:43:40 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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