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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I want it, but don't own it yet. Only have a couple of DVDs now. :-(

I DO have O Brother and LOTR, which are both worthy of many, many viewings, so it could be worse!

25,861 posted on 09/16/2002 11:49:09 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
By the way, if you parse the Oracle's talk with Neo (Clinton-style) she never tells Neo that he's not The One.

Good catch!

I caught that on my second viewing.

25,862 posted on 09/16/2002 12:09:15 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
...Neo definitely had Christ-like overtones to his character.

Maybe we would be more accurate if we said Neo, especially at the end, had a Christ-like sledgehammer. ;^)

25,863 posted on 09/16/2002 12:10:36 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Maybe "overtones" was the wrong word for me to use... I was thinking of some of the superficial similarities, such as "The One" had left, but was prophesied to return one day; Neo's "dying" and being "resurrected", stuff like that.
25,864 posted on 09/16/2002 12:27:42 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RosieCotton
We only have about 5 or so DVDs, but Matrix was such a favorite that we made sure it was one of the first we bought. :)

We have O Brother and LOTR, too! :)
25,865 posted on 09/16/2002 12:33:14 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Neo is the hero in that movie, right?

I saw it once when it was on TNT. Lost interest halfway through.

25,866 posted on 09/16/2002 12:54:55 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Lost interest halfway through.

Prude.......

25,867 posted on 09/16/2002 1:07:18 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Overtaxed
I suppose the proper thing to do would be to spam the thread with "30 Reasons I Did Not Like The Matrix." ;^)
25,868 posted on 09/16/2002 1:15:09 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; ksen
Of course, the bad thing about the Matrix is that it REALLY messes with your mind where Agent Elrond is concerned...

Agent Smith would have shown Sauron a thing or two, no?

25,869 posted on 09/16/2002 1:21:56 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Overtaxed
Neo is the hero in that movie, right?

Yup, played by Keanu Reeves.

If you fell asleep half-way through you probably missed all the best fight scenes. :)

25,870 posted on 09/16/2002 1:22:03 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RosieCotton
it REALLY messes with your mind where Agent Elrond is concerned

hehe, especially when "Underhill" and "Anderson" have the same number of syllables!

"Never send a Man to do an Elf's job!"

25,871 posted on 09/16/2002 1:26:33 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
hehe, especially when "Underhill" and "Anderson" have the same number of syllables!

Yep! Hence my joking earlier about having Elrond say, "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Underhill...it seems you have been leading TWO lives", etc.

Too bad they couldn't have used Matrix-like filming techniques for some of the fight scenes in FOTR, no? 'Twould be WAY cool to watch Legolas!

25,872 posted on 09/16/2002 1:31:12 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
'Twould be WAY cool to watch Legolas!

oooh, yes... just imagine the camera angle spinning around as he runs up the chain to the cave troll's head! Or super-slow-motion views of him drawing and firing his bow... !

25,873 posted on 09/16/2002 1:42:05 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; RosieCotton
Gandalf and Saruman flying at each other, staves extended. Kind of like Neo and Agent Smith in the subway jumping and shooting at each other. That was kind of cool.

Actually I think that kind of photography would have been a little overboard for LoTR.

Oohh, how about a scene where Legolas flips all the way around picks up a bow and some arrows on the way around and then starts firing them on the second time around. Like Neo did with the shotgun when they went to rescue Morpheus.

25,874 posted on 09/16/2002 1:47:49 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Actually I think that kind of photography would have been a little overboard for LoTR.

Well, of course...but it's still really fun to speculate!

How about on Weathertop when Aragorn was fighting the wraiths?

25,875 posted on 09/16/2002 1:50:18 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ksen; Bear_in_RoseBear; RosieCotton
Gandalf and Saruman flying at each other, staves extended.

Let's not mix too many movie styles. I'm still traumatized over the Yoda/Saruman Smackdown in Attack of the Clownes...

25,876 posted on 09/16/2002 1:52:44 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I have yet to see that movie. It comes out on video by the end of the year, right?

I fully expect it to be LOUSY, after the let down of Episode I (whatever the proper title is...) For someone who really liked the first three, that was a slap in the face. Hard.

25,877 posted on 09/16/2002 1:55:30 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I'm sure it will be out on video/DVD before Christmas.

My 13-year-old liked it. But about 45 minutes in, I was thinking "okay, let's wrap this one up." And I really wanted it to be a good movie.

But I couldn't control my laughter when Yoda and Count Dooku (Christopher Lee/Saruman) were fighting.

25,878 posted on 09/16/2002 1:58:44 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; All
Even with the precious in site, time to go it time to go...

Later folks.

25,879 posted on 09/16/2002 2:01:39 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen
BTW, have you noticed how people have turned on each other over on "that" forum?
25,880 posted on 09/16/2002 2:02:14 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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