Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
Hello all. I went home and watched the 60 minutes special last night - wow, we have a great president. And then I watched as much of the 9-11 special that followed as I could. I'd seen it once and it got to be too much... so I went to bed.
I'm still waiting on the new power cord/adapter for my laptop. Today, I hope...
Darn meetings...
Oh well, I read some of it on another thread, and I imagine there will be a transcript up later. Sounds like he means business.
At least she wasn't over disrupting the live thread.
Very series indeed.
(did my morning story really not make sense? is it worth trying to splain?)
Sent to Took's corner.
heh... and no, your morning post doesn't make any sense!
Yes, I DID sneak, I freely admit that.
However, you will notice that I did NOT spam.
I'm trying to quit...
[snicker!]
Just had to do it, didn't you?
Who originated spam sneaking, anyway? I seem to remember someone posted instructions for doing it - I didn't figure it out on my own.
And so spam was invented...and a new age dawned in the Hobbit Hole...
I seem to remember the mediots remarking that it looked like he didn't care because he didn't react.
The documentary itself talked about how he felt he needed to finish what he was doing and didn't feel that the children needed to hear the news yet. The mediots just didn't look close enough. They were busy looking for a blatant reaction and didn't look at his eyes. His eyes are so expressive.
Mine was in '96 when the 'Toon was re-elected - an absentee ballot at that, as I was in Germany in the AF at the time.
What a let-down THAT was. Ugh.
I must admit, I'm glad it's over. I've been praying a hedge of protection around him for days now.
I am so mad. I am just as mad as I was a year ago. I remember seeing that picture that Billie did with the Statue of Liberty collapsed sobbing in Uncle Sam's arms and not being able to relate at all. (It was a good picture, don't get me wrong.) But this one has always most demonstrated how I feel.
Well, I'm not sure it's worth splaining and I'm fresh out of tin foil. But I'll try:
Ann Compton said: "the UN has been passing resolutions dealing with Saddam for a decade now..."
But another voice came on and it sounded like they inserted the words "for centuries" like an "aside" so that I heard:
"the UN has been passing resolutions dealing with Saddam for a decade for centuries now..."
Sigh. Gerald Ford '76. Where's LCS when I need him around?
I haven't seen that one at all. Is there any way you could post that one?
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