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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
"I just got a post pulled from The Smokey Backroom -- I am a baaad boy!"

What, exactly, do you have to say to get a post pulled from there?

24,561 posted on 09/08/2002 8:07:01 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I admit that there was a certain amount of logic for a Jew to joining what seemed like the only possibly effective movement to oppose the Czar! "

As far as I know, Jews did not improve their lot much with the demise of the Czar. Maybe made it worse. I have alot of thoughts on this subject.

24,562 posted on 09/08/2002 8:17:32 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog
"to say things that tick off Jews, Blacks, and Episcipalians all on the same day. "

Now there's a plan :-) Who did we forget, though?

Hair, I was brought up Episcopalian :-) I wish I could have participated in this conversation, that I am only catching up on now!

What a great thread! I'm serious.

24,563 posted on 09/08/2002 8:26:25 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I think they thought their lot would be improved... but it may not have turned out that way!

Hullo! Good evening everyone!

LCS - You know you shouldn't be the smokey backroom!
24,564 posted on 09/08/2002 8:27:39 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Sam Cree
You have freepmail (chagrinned)
24,565 posted on 09/08/2002 8:28:39 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Sam Cree
We forgot wimmin.... could have easily slipped an insult to wimmin into that proverb.
24,566 posted on 09/08/2002 8:29:10 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I think you are actually proud of yourself for having a post pulled, aren't you?! [arms crossed, fingers tapping]
24,567 posted on 09/08/2002 8:30:23 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
LCS - You know you shouldn't be the smokey backroom!

You're telling me. I keep posting on threads, and then they go there, see my post to 2JM, it is all you guys fault for leaving me at my lonesome.

24,568 posted on 09/08/2002 8:31:18 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
You get lonely and find the most contentious threads on the site to talk on? I posted on a thread with real life racists on it today and we were able to keep it calm!
24,569 posted on 09/08/2002 8:33:13 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I think you are actually proud of yourself for having a post pulled, aren't you?!

It was way over the top, I had just had too many of this guy's insults. Small sample: 'Sorry there Lucius, but you are the religious fanatic, you ARE trying to force your NONSCIENTIFIC mythical beliefs on me. If you want to teach your children that mythology is fact, BE MY GUEST, but in public school forget about it. Religion has no place in public school. ' As I told Sam Cree, and put on the thread, my personal belief is that evolution exists, but that God has created the human race through the mechanism of evolution (directed evolution)

24,570 posted on 09/08/2002 8:38:14 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
I posted on a thread with real life racists on it today and we were able to keep it calm!

Good thing I didn't drop into that one. I would have gotten it put in the Backroom in 10 minutes.

24,571 posted on 09/08/2002 8:39:53 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: 2Jedismom
I'm going to tell him that he is behaving inappropriately and needs to assess himself! (He's a psychologist...)

Hi 2JM!!You Go girl! Is he one of those types who is so self-obsessed that anyone who disagrees with him must be an idiot (in his mind, of course!)? Makes you want to slap em upside their pointy heads, doesn't it?

I'm catching up on the posts from the weekend. I went with our daughter's Girl Scout troop on a campout down in NJ at Camp Lou Henry Hoover. What a gorgeous Camp! We're going to go back down again in the Fall and meet up with a troop from the Berkeley Heights (NJ) area. One of the newer girls in our troop just moved up here last Dec., and her mom made the arrangements for us to go down there. I am exhausted from the weekend; it will feel SO good to sleep in my own bed. Even though the adults were in a 'cabin', we were still on the obligatory 'cots' in our sleeping bags. Once last night I woke up and just felt like I had to GET OUT of that bag. I was feeling like a sausage!! I got up, looked out of the door for a couple of minutes, got cold and crawled back in. It was a wierd feeling.

24,572 posted on 09/08/2002 8:41:31 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Which is exactly the way evolution and creation was covered in my public school, by the way. I had a teacher who was maybe better than average at presenting all the competing theories and theologies without excluding any of them as being impossible, or more likely than any other.
24,573 posted on 09/08/2002 8:41:53 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Sam Cree
This guy would RANT AND USE ALL CAPS, he just called a new poster, who hasn't even posted to him, 'Prove to me scientifically that Creationism is provable. What a fricking joke, and you wonder why religion and moral clarity in this country is going away.' I guess you don't want to go there.

I hope that I haven't gotten Sam Cree mad at me.

24,574 posted on 09/08/2002 8:49:44 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I wouldn't dream of going to such a place! But knock yourself out!
24,575 posted on 09/08/2002 8:51:51 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
What did you do to Sam? - You didn't drag him over there did you?
24,576 posted on 09/08/2002 8:59:19 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well another poster has started posting upthread, whom this guy apparently has fought before, so he says he is leaving. As a parting shot, after I quoted the dictionary definition of religion, he responded 'You poor delusional little man', so I guess I won't have to deal with him any more, and have lost weight into the bargain.
24,577 posted on 09/08/2002 9:01:33 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I think the dwarves might be upset by the "little man" slam.
24,578 posted on 09/08/2002 9:03:04 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
What did you do to Sam?

See #24561 and 24565 above.

24,579 posted on 09/08/2002 9:03:40 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
I think the dwarves might be upset by the "little man" slam.

Maybe this guy has turned me into a dwarf. From Elrond/Faramir to a dwarf. Is this upgrading or downgrading?

24,580 posted on 09/08/2002 9:06:17 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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