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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Overtaxed
Plus one of my cats was in a REALLY demanding mood last night and kept yowling at me and trying to grab the bow. She was very jealous of the fiddle, I think...being held and all that.
23,861 posted on 09/05/2002 6:29:47 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Hehehe....my sister's cats head for the exits when she practices. My kitty actually stayed beside me while I practiced last night.
23,862 posted on 09/05/2002 6:33:35 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Hehehe....my sister's cats head for the exits when she practices. My kitty actually stayed beside me while I practiced last night.

Mine NEVER leave me alone. Sometimes I wish they would! If I sit down to play, my dog and one of my cats usually tries to get in my lap, and one of the other two cats attacks the bow. If I stand, it's at least narrowed down to one.

And walking to another room doesn't help any...I have multiple shadows...

23,863 posted on 09/05/2002 6:38:00 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
My cat usually follows me around and likes to curl up beside me. However, when I get into the second octave she sometimes leaves the room (c'mon kitty...it's not that bad!)
23,864 posted on 09/05/2002 6:40:25 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
My cat usually follows me around and likes to curl up beside me. However, when I get into the second octave she sometimes leaves the room (c'mon kitty...it's not that bad!)

My cats don't seem to care, but some high notes or out of tune double-stops (when you play two strings together on fiddle) really seem to bother my dog. She won't actually LEAVE (lazy bum), but she starts sighing and sometimes even breathes in sharply like I'm hurting her.

Everyone's a critic...

23,865 posted on 09/05/2002 6:43:44 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Everyone's a critic...

Ain't that the truth! We used to have a music critic dog. He would nap under the piano when Mom was playing it and get up and leave when my sister started playing (much to the delight of me and my other siblings. Hehehehe.)

23,866 posted on 09/05/2002 6:47:11 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
LOL...and I'm sure you and your siblings made SURE to tease your sister about this at every opportunity! My siblings and I end up being rather brutal critics of one another when it comes to music...though we also brag to people outside the family about the more musical amongst us.

When I started learning fiddle in April after having played mandolin about a year, one of my brothers came over to visit. I practiced for a few minutes while he was listening, and he came over and said, "Don't quit your day instrument." It was a slam, but cracked me up!

23,867 posted on 09/05/2002 6:56:12 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
"Don't quit your day instrument."

Hehehe....it'll be a while before I'm good enough to stake out a spot on the sidewalk with my tin cup.

23,868 posted on 09/05/2002 7:02:18 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Hehehe....it'll be a while before I'm good enough to stake out a spot on the sidewalk with my tin cup.

Me too! I've performed on mando (of a sort...little benefit concerts), but it'll be a LONG while before I'm ready for that with fiddle.

Maybe by Entmoot we'll be ready? It would help offset travel costs!

(And if we AREN'T ready, maybe someone will pay us to stop playing?)

23,869 posted on 09/05/2002 7:10:26 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
(And if we AREN'T ready, maybe someone will pay us to stop playing?)

Hmmmm....wonder if Jack Benny ever thought of that angle.

23,870 posted on 09/05/2002 7:16:22 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: ksen; Sam Cree
Thanks for bringing a bit of high culture to our down to earth hole Sam.


23,871 posted on 09/05/2002 7:24:18 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; g'nad
Was it something I said?

(BTW, where's the stinky dwarf this a.m.?)

23,872 posted on 09/05/2002 7:41:35 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Ah, yes, out here we normally don't think of the challenging parts coming from the people-type critters.
23,873 posted on 09/05/2002 7:42:56 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Corin Stormhands
Our Man of Gondor is missing too!
23,874 posted on 09/05/2002 7:43:45 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I haven't seen the Beorning, either. What happen?
23,875 posted on 09/05/2002 7:47:05 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
It's those Elves! Their leaving ME started a trend.
23,876 posted on 09/05/2002 7:51:03 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands; RosieCotton; Sam Cree; 2Jedismom; Overtaxed; g'nad; Scott from the Left Coast; ...
Hullo! - Good Morning!

I will be away today! - Gotta go on a road trip up the Peninsula for work!

Hope everyone has a nice day today!

23,877 posted on 09/05/2002 7:51:15 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Back in the early 1980s a double murder on the Appalachian Trail, put my home county on the map. They caught the guy, not a relative, but a classmate of my brother.

I never knew I lived in Appalachia until I moved away (we're right on the edge anyway).

23,878 posted on 09/05/2002 7:52:52 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
Good morning!

VERY cool picture...hadn't seen that one before.
23,879 posted on 09/05/2002 7:53:45 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Overtaxed
Hair's gone....

ElfBash!


23,880 posted on 09/05/2002 7:54:52 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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