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The New Hobbit Hole
Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
I fully support the private land trusts. They are one terrific way of preserving plots of land, particularly small plots of land, that one group or another thinks is worth preserving. Fine, if you want to save it, buy it. Good plan. As private owners, they can preserve it in any way they wish, including keeping people out of it.
But also I think there is a public interest in lands held for the benefit of the public. There is a public interest, for the good of us all, in preservation of open habitat and green spaces, and not alot of individual private interest. And if the public wants it, they should also buy it. I think freedom has no value if we can't guarantee access to some lands to hunt, fish and wander in.
Its a balance. The argument will always be how much. Not all lands should be public of course, just pieces here and there that we can all get to.
To: Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog
Wow, I thought I had dropped into the "News" side by accident. ;^)
Do you think Gondor or Rohan have Public Land Acquisition programs?
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ksen
To: ksen
Gondor has no program. Gondor needs no program.
To: Overtaxed
If they postpone The Race... Yup, it's a big weekend here.
To: All
My wife called a few minutes ago.
My FIL is doing somewhat better today. He feels a little better also. But I don't think they plan to release him anytime soon. They're still talking about some sort of surgical procedure and I can't quite grasp the difference between that and dialysis.
The long-term prognosis is still not good. But it appears that the immediate crisis has passed. I also recognize that could change before my wife gets home this afternoon...
To: Overtaxed
I might add that as a taxpayer expense, the DNR land pays for itself to a large degree. I am sure it could be managed to be almost profitable.
The timber is sold private loggers who buy the trees and log it. They turn a profit for themselves and income to the gubmit. And they are not in harmful competition with the private foresters, who are huge conglomerates. The public forest timber sales are accessible to small time operators and loggers. So as a use of public funds, it does provide a better return on the dollar than some other uses I would attack first.
To: Corin Stormhands; ksen
OK OK - I'll stop! - I am being so radical anyway!
To: Corin Stormhands
Well that is unexpected good news though! - I hope he does well for as long as he can hold out, and your wife can have comfort and peace in her visit today!
To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands; ksen; g'nad; rightwingreligiousfanatic
Smeagol went sneaking into the local Radio Shack to buy some rechargable batteries. While there, I noticed pretty, shiny DVD players.
Oh, how Smeagol wants one. But, alas... can't afford one cause Smeagol has college to pay for. Then, I noticed this one machine. All silver... glimmering and glittering in the light. It was $200 marked down to $99.97. Smeagol wants... Smeagol wants...
Smeagol buys. Then has to buy a converter and a cable because Smeagol's tv has built in VCR.
On the way home, Smeagol rents the LOTR DVD and sees all the making and stuff...
Happy Smeagol!
To: Corin Stormhands
Gondor has no program. Gondor needs no program. And neither do we. :)
To: Corin Stormhands
I also recognize that could change before my wife gets home this afternoon... She's driving round trip in one day?!
To: carton253
Good smeagol...good smeagol...always hunts the bargains...just don't sells us out and buys the nice, shiny DVD...
To: HairOfTheDog
The public forest timber sales are accessible to small time operators and loggers. So as a use of public funds, it does provide a better return on the dollar than some other uses I would attack first. Oh yes! < /sarcasm > Due to the US Forest Sevice's policies, deadwood is not removed from the forests and roads into the forest are limited. The result? All that deadwood is fueling those fires out West burning the forests that environmentalists "care" so much about. And firefighters are hampered by lack of roads.
I prefer the land to be managed by private interests. The federal government couldn't manage a freaking cat house, let alone a forest.
To: 2Jedismom
Good for you, reining in as you are.
I have difficulty keeping up, too, and have had to choose which threads I devote time to. I keep poking along, and enjoy what I can. The Hobbit Hole ... well, ... sigh.
Family first. Bless you.
To: carton253
Oh good for you! - Now keep your eye out.... I am seeing copies of the DVD starting to go for cheap! - Or I suppose the extended is just around the corner. You'll be ready!
To: carton253; All
ROFLOL!
You absolutely, completely and totally crack me up, Smeagol!
And I am so happy for you.
BTW, does anyone know? If I get a DVD player on my laptop, will I be able to view LOTR okay, or will it be a narrow horizontal strip across the screen? Also, if anyone has any opinions on what's a good laptop, I would appreciate the input.... Thanks!
To: Overtaxed
The mismanagement is the result of conflicting policies. National Forests were never meant to be the same as National Parks, and the "greens" have been pushing to make them one and the same, in all practicality. The ideas I am pushing do not mean the same thing as the "no access" wilderness advocates. My arguments are against them.
For what it is worth, the DNR forests near me are well managed with dead wood removed and open roads in. Not all of the public lands have been hit by the closure and wilderness movement. My goal is to fight every closure of these lands. Access is my whole point. It is a different mindset than those who would close it.
And to some degree, fires will always happen and some of this blame is hype. These fires are certainly a lesson.
Carried to the extreme, no public land means no camping, hiking, hunting and enjoyment of wilderness unless one wants to buy their own mountain. Not sure I can afford that for the kids this year.
To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
OT knows how to hook the laptop up to TV... That is the way to go!
To: HairOfTheDog
"I am sure it could be managed to be almost profitable. "
Though the idea of the federal government going into competition with the private sector is a little scary. That would amount to a business entity which also has the power to make law. Which is what you get with socialism anyway.
To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
The first time I saw the DVD was on a laptop owned by my friend. This was the disc that had all the gimmicky things on it. It played great. If I remember correctly it filled the whole monitor. Since the movie is wide screen, I would think you would get the strips...
Around here, everyone has IBM thinkpads. I am partial to Toshibas. Smeagol is going to have to get a computer too. Looking at either Gateway or Dell. But, if I make the decision to buy, I might not want to wait for the assembly and shipping. When I purchase, I purchase quickly.
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