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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ksen
I knew it!
23,601 posted on 09/03/2002 7:49:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen
I knew it!
23,602 posted on 09/03/2002 7:49:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen
I knew it!
23,603 posted on 09/03/2002 7:49:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Sure you're leaving 16 posts out...

Wouldn't want to disappoint the masses..........sneak.

23,604 posted on 09/03/2002 7:50:01 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Sure you're leaving 16 posts out...

Wouldn't want to disappoint the masses..........sneak.

23,605 posted on 09/03/2002 7:50:06 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Shameless, absolutely shameless...(And I got the semi-precious)...
23,606 posted on 09/03/2002 7:51:00 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Boy, you sure do have an itchy trigger finger.
23,607 posted on 09/03/2002 7:51:49 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Ask us about easy fish when the time comes to set up a tank... maybe start out with fish like a Beta or neons or Mollies that are pretty hardy. Mollies will breed too, if you have one male and several females (get more than a pair... one female cannot bear all the attention the males want to give... he'll exhaust her). That is kinda fun because they have live births, not eggs. and most of them survive if you have hidey places. The parents eat some of them.
23,608 posted on 09/03/2002 7:52:30 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
I didn't realize where we were until I read your post before logging off for the night.

Now I'm REALLY going to bed!
23,609 posted on 09/03/2002 7:53:07 PM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB; Sam Cree
Perhaps I am just a spoiled American, but I never considered wishing I could eat the snails!

Guess you would not have done your patriotic duty back around 1960 in Fort Lauderdale. As often happens in south Florida, an exotic animal with no natural enemies in the US started to get established there, after somebody let some loose. These were giant African Land Snails whose shells were more than 6 inches across. They were slithering all over, leaving slimy paths several inches across. For a while it was thought that they couldn't be stopped from taking over southern Florida. Then somebody discovered that they tasted just like giant escargot!

YUM YUM!!

23,610 posted on 09/03/2002 7:53:07 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Eating enormous snails sounds yuckier than the idea of eating these little guys. At least these little guys could be hidden in some soup. No need to field-dress them and filet them!
23,611 posted on 09/03/2002 7:55:10 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I had Mollies when I was a kid. They bred a couple of times. My mom did all the caring for them though, but they eventually passed on as well.

Maybe I'm just not meant to have fish.

23,612 posted on 09/03/2002 7:55:48 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
G'nite folks. I'm turning in.
23,613 posted on 09/03/2002 7:58:21 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Maybe, but eventually everything dies, Corin.... Fish are not long-lived creatures... a few years and a couple batches of babies, and they call it a life and fade away...
23,614 posted on 09/03/2002 8:00:56 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Those snails sound big enough to shoot, say with a .223. OTOH, maybe they'd make good ammo for a potato gun.

Somehow, I don't remember having seen one. I bet they'd be noticable if you ran over one with a car, though.

23,615 posted on 09/03/2002 8:04:29 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Those snails sound big enough to shoot

Sounds like they'd take a lot of salt!

23,616 posted on 09/03/2002 8:12:45 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
When we were in FL this August, the Gulf was churned up by Trop. Storm Bertha and we had one morning when tons of sea slugs were washed up on the beach. It was GROSS! One little girl had one in a bucket of water and the darn thing looked like a baby manta ray with wings and everything. Actually my sister in law said it looked like a sea Cucumber. Whatever, it took two days for them to dry out and get washed away!
23,617 posted on 09/03/2002 8:15:13 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
"Sounds like they'd take a lot of salt!"

You mean if you loaded up your shotgun with rock salt and nails?

23,618 posted on 09/03/2002 8:19:07 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
We have common garden snails in our yard. Rose hates snails... but she likes pouring table salt on them. It makes them dissolve. (ick!)
23,619 posted on 09/03/2002 8:23:27 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: All
Uh oh... looks like I may have poured salt on the thread.

Oh well, good time to go to bed. Good night all!
23,620 posted on 09/03/2002 9:01:42 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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