Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
On a side note when we went to the wedding in Atlanta last month our hotel was hosting a "Thomas Jefferson Reunion." That meant that several hundred black folks, all Hemmings descendants were there. They were pretty loud, having a party, and very nice and friendly.
'Course the tropical fish are the natives where we live. I've got 5 fairy basslets, purple and yellow + 2 sea urchins. The starfish died, but I'll pick up another, they're easy to care for. My basslets are well into their second year and have grown quite a bit.
My daughter has goldfish in her dorm that are in their second year, they are not feeders, though, which she thinks don't live too well.
I got a bit done tonight...it's hard, I need to write up to a scene I did that's a major turning point so I can see where to go from there. And I need to write about more characters than just the two main ones. Oh, and my dialogue needs work. Otherwise it's Hugo material!
The tank's not mine, but I'll ask.
Your path is clear, you need to do some more research.
I've got the book myself, haven't read it yet (still reading about the Punic Wars). Ellis got in big trouble for lying about his (non-existant) Vietnam War service. Not sure where he stands on the Hemmings story, he was not the one who came up with it in this century. As I understand it, the black Hemmings are almost certainly descendants of a Jefferson, the theory about TJ was started by a contemporary political muckraker, is based mostly on the apparent fact that Sally Hemmings was the half-sister of Thomas Jefferson's deceased wife.
I don't know how accurate Ellis is on history where he doesn't claim to have been there.
I was wondering that earlier tonite. Wondering if I'd left enough "air space" for them. Mine isn't filled to the top like that one, but is filled to about 3 inches below.
They are hermaphrodites, so I think one is sufficient to get a crowd. Too bad they are not considered edible.
My son is now asking for a turtle and a bird. I said "oh great, let's kill some really expensive pets..." We didn't have much luck with hermit crabs either. But from what I understand they rarely last for the trip home from the beach.
Time for the "you can't have everything you want" routine?
I did my research last winter, wrote up a long history and such for my country, did a map, all that stuff. Hopefully it's enough. Currently I'm at just over 50,000 words.
That is true, but you can also use it with goldfish. One advantage of goldfish is that they like the same temperature that humans do, with tropicals you need a heater, unless you live down Sam Cree's way, and don't have an A/C. You hardly ever have to change water with a filter and pump, just add it occasionally.
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