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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Overtaxed
Thanks, I just had a bad headache - much better this morning. I am a morning hobbit as well. I am usually at work around 7.
2,301 posted on 04/12/2002 6:49:49 AM PDT by ecurbh
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To: Overtaxed
Well, I still haven't tried out the Sam's rabbit stew...maybe today! I need to go back and figure out the herbs of Ithilien. It says he simmered the rabbit with "bunched" herbs...I figure he must have tied them together in a bunch? I think I could brown the rabbit a little before adding the water, but to be true, I couldn't use flour or oil.

It sounds like fun and the boys would love it. Any tips?

2,302 posted on 04/12/2002 6:51:48 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
It sounds like fun and the boys would love it. Any tips?

I'm still trying to find rabbit without having to snare them myself! I could get frozen rabbit up until our local grocery store went yuppie. Browning the rabbit first sounds good...I always like a well-browned piece of meat. As for the bunched herbs....maybe you could make an "herb bag" by tying them up in a piece of cheesecloth and stewing them along with the rabbit.

2,303 posted on 04/12/2002 7:01:00 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I'm not sure where I'm going to get the coney either, I'll call some butchers, I guess!

These are the herbs I intend to use...

Bay leaf
Thyme
Sage
Margoram
Parsley

The bag is a good idea...it has a fancy name, but I can't remember it.

2,304 posted on 04/12/2002 7:04:55 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Sounds good...think you should add rosemary? :)

If you can wait until I get home, I can look up rabbit in The Joy of Cooking. They have a section on how to cook rabbit complete with skinning diagrams.

When do we eat? :D

2,305 posted on 04/12/2002 7:14:00 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
It seems I remember rosemary being mentioned, but can't find it now!! Oh for clearer vision first thing in the morning. I need to make coffee!
2,306 posted on 04/12/2002 7:25:32 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: LinnieBeth
Pasos are nice! - Look on my profile for picture of mine! More pictures in the link that says photo album!
2,307 posted on 04/12/2002 7:39:02 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed;All
I am still trying to figure out what to pick to NOT be Boromir again! -

Hullo ALL! - Good Morning! - I am just waking up and sipping! [coffee]

2,308 posted on 04/12/2002 7:42:21 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Drinking lots of water is good to get rid of a hangover. :)
2,309 posted on 04/12/2002 7:56:41 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Yes, I know thaT all too well!

But I am not hung over. Sleepy from staying up so late, but I do not have a hatchet in my head this morning.

I did forget that I had colored my hair yesterday until I went to the bathroom, so that was a bit of a shock...

Now, was the talk about tattoos real or was that a dream?... hmmm...

2,310 posted on 04/12/2002 8:12:52 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: jrherreid; HairOfTheDog; RosieCotton; billbears; ObfusGate; austinTparty; Texas2step; billbears...
Pinging all ringers

I just recieved word that the Lord of the Rings:Fellowship of Ring DVD is now available for pre-order at Amazon!

2,311 posted on 04/12/2002 8:33:04 AM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
Thanks! But I think I'll wait for the Director's cut.
2,312 posted on 04/12/2002 8:39:31 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: ecurbh
Hey all,
Silly question here. How many of you have heard of/play Middle Earth Play by Mail?
2,313 posted on 04/12/2002 8:40:15 AM PDT by order_of_reason
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To: Overtaxed
Not going to buy this one? - Ooh I will! - There are neat goodies on it (at least the price is reasonable)... 10 minute Two Towers behind the scenes preview! I will end up with both of the dang things... I know it.
2,314 posted on 04/12/2002 8:44:32 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: order_of_reason
Not so silly - but I barely know about the existance of the role-playing games that go on. I assume this by-mail game is one of those?
2,315 posted on 04/12/2002 8:46:21 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
I know, but some of us cannot wait that long (3 extra months!) and will be buying both versions.
2,316 posted on 04/12/2002 8:47:58 AM PDT by ecurbh
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To: HairOfTheDog; ecurbh
What does it mean, widescreen edition? Is it gonna have those black bars up at the top and bottom? My dvd player has a zoom and I normally just zoom them away, but I find them annoying...
2,317 posted on 04/12/2002 8:56:13 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Here is the full-screen edition: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Full Screen)
2,318 posted on 04/12/2002 8:59:54 AM PDT by ecurbh
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To: HairOfTheDog
Not exactly, It is more along the lines of a very complex board game, mixed in with aspects of Advanced Civilization, and, well, yes some amount of rpging.
check it out at Middle earth games
The reason I asked, is that I am currently playing there, and maybe if we could get a bunch of Freepers, it may make for a fun team game. If you are interested, check out the site or Freepmail me.
2,319 posted on 04/12/2002 9:04:22 AM PDT by order_of_reason
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To: 2Jedismom;ecurbh
Yes wide screen is the letterbox (cinema screen) edition - You do realize when you zoom in you miss whatever is on each side of the screen! - hmmm... Been thinking about getting a new TV, how much are the letterbox TVs?
2,320 posted on 04/12/2002 9:06:29 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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