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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: 2Jedismom
I couldn't get that tune out of my head! At least it wasn't as bad as that Bilbo number. Maybe now I can start playing something else!
22,581 posted on 08/31/2002 4:50:06 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom; All
Really....I was driving the cat crazy with that thing!

Good Morning, everyone!


22,582 posted on 08/31/2002 4:52:31 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; All
Good morning Overtaxed, All'

Well, happy Labor Day Weekend, everyone. Though I think if we must have a "Labor Day," we should also have a "Capitalism Day."

22,583 posted on 08/31/2002 6:20:47 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Overtaxed; SuziQ
Morning! I have to go buy food. We're out. My sibs woke me up with cries of "we want ice cream for breakfast" and now they're watching idiotic cartoons.

Suzi, I watched a whole DVD of my anime last night. Unfortunately I forgot to switch to Japanese/English subtitled rather than the default English-dubbed track, so - well, there was a scream as a very wrong cast of voices started talking. I got it changed in record time! The first time I watched this anime was a fansub. The translation is... rather different; some things I like (the theme song makes a little sense!) but other things they were trying too hard to get across, like word-play games. Still, not bad, and amazingly good sound quality on my little notebook computer.

22,584 posted on 08/31/2002 6:36:07 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Sam Cree
we should also have a "Capitalism Day."

Great! How about next Monday?

22,585 posted on 08/31/2002 8:02:55 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: All
Wow... sure is quite around here! Hope everyone is having a nice weekend! I am starting off slow here - napping on the couch so far.... about to start some projects.

Talk to you all later on!
22,586 posted on 08/31/2002 9:03:40 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
"Capitalism Day" is obviously not a day one would take off; rather it is a day to work harder than usual. So... let's leave it until next year sometime...
22,587 posted on 08/31/2002 9:51:12 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Naw....we need Monday off so we can trade stocks all day!
22,588 posted on 08/31/2002 10:18:10 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yep...my day started slow too. And it's stayed slow. It's been raining here all morning and I've just been hanging out with the cat, reading, and listening to the rain. At least I've started the laundry. Need to vacuum. Where are the Housework Elves when you need them?
22,589 posted on 08/31/2002 10:22:06 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Elves do not do laundry, or vacuum. That's what Dwarves are for... ducks...
22,590 posted on 08/31/2002 10:33:31 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
I never heard of housework dwarves in the old tales. Besides, I think Arwen would look cute with an apron and feather duster!
22,591 posted on 08/31/2002 10:38:24 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Oww, that image hurts! C'mon, everyone knows chores are done by Little People, and Tolkien-Elves are tall.
22,592 posted on 08/31/2002 10:42:25 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
and Tolkien-Elves are tall.

Shirkers!

22,593 posted on 08/31/2002 10:47:37 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Yay. But they're more fun. So there.
22,594 posted on 08/31/2002 10:48:24 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
But they're more fun. So there.

Only if you enjoy snoots looking down their noses.

22,595 posted on 08/31/2002 10:49:41 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Your point?

sneak

22,596 posted on 08/31/2002 10:53:08 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
sneak
22,597 posted on 08/31/2002 10:53:25 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
sneak
22,598 posted on 08/31/2002 10:53:25 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
sneak
22,599 posted on 08/31/2002 10:53:34 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
sneak
22,600 posted on 08/31/2002 10:53:40 AM PDT by JenB
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