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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ksen
Happy now?
22,501 posted on 08/30/2002 11:20:24 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton; ksen
So much for once, twice, three times a lady...
22,502 posted on 08/30/2002 11:20:38 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RosieCotton
I am surprised at you! [gasp!] Such a display from an ordinarily sensible hobbit.
22,503 posted on 08/30/2002 11:21:19 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I am surprised at you! [gasp!] Such a display from an ordinarily sensible hobbit.

It's a Friday!

22,504 posted on 08/30/2002 11:22:59 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Wow! What a way to fake 'em out!

I stand in admiration!
22,505 posted on 08/30/2002 11:23:48 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RosieCotton
Friday afternoons always make me feel a bit Tookish...
22,506 posted on 08/30/2002 11:24:12 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
Friday before a three day weekend

We're getting a little of that here... the place I'm working at will be "shut down" all of next week, so we're getting a lot of people calling in wanting to make sure they can log in from home next week...

what are they, nuts?

22,507 posted on 08/30/2002 11:26:42 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RosieCotton
Friday afternoons always make me feel a bit Tookish...

Fool of a Took! Look what you did...


22,508 posted on 08/30/2002 11:28:48 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I'm sorry! I didn't mean to!


22,509 posted on 08/30/2002 11:32:06 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Uh, sneak?

Ok, you won. ;^)

22,510 posted on 08/30/2002 11:33:26 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; ksen; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; RosieCotton; JenB; ...
Okay, I need help from some computery types. I may have asked this question before, but now it seems more a problem.

I just got an email back (on my home account) saying "our software detected a problem with your email - or something like that" Problem is, I recognized the sender. It's someone I contacted - but a long time ago. I didn't send them anything recently. Plus, I periodically get "message-daemon, mail not deliverable" messages from accounts I don't recognize.

Where do I start? What do I look for?

Do I have to leave the Shire?

22,511 posted on 08/30/2002 11:33:34 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Is this an email address through your ISP? - I would ask them.... Maybe they are having an outage....
22,512 posted on 08/30/2002 11:55:13 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Oh - nevermind... I didn't read it right.... I thought you were getting a bounceback message on your own email address when you were sending something there. I am confused. What is the problem?
22,513 posted on 08/30/2002 12:00:44 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yes, it's through the ISP. But an outage wouldn't cause the error/mail not delivered messages for mail I haven't sent...would it?
22,514 posted on 08/30/2002 12:01:20 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Replied privately...my own theory.
22,515 posted on 08/30/2002 12:02:31 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
I periodically get "message-daemon, mail not deliverable".....

Uh oh, you better get a hold of...........

22,516 posted on 08/30/2002 12:11:04 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen; Bear_in_RoseBear
LOL

Begone, foul computer daemons!

You probably know all about daemons, eh Bear?

22,517 posted on 08/30/2002 12:14:33 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: g'nad
Hey, now that looks pretty good...and effective.
22,518 posted on 08/30/2002 12:22:42 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: RosieCotton; Corin Stormhands
You probably know all about daemons, eh Bear?

Oh, yeah... have to deal with them on a daily basis!

Corin... the message is probably being generated by some mailer daemon (an automated program for directing email) on a computer somewhere on the Internet between you and the recipient. You mentioned you can recognize the email address of the recipient... is it current? Or has the address been changed at some time? If it's no longer a current address, that would explain why you're getting the bounce message.

As to why you're getting bounce messages for email you don't remember sending... there should be some way in your mail program to display the full header of the email message. It will show a lot of incomprehensible gibberish, but if you look at it long enough you'll be able to spot what path the message took through the Internet, including the subject of the message and where and when it originated. That may help track down where the message is coming from.

I hate to ask, but... do you have a virus checker, and is it up to date?

22,519 posted on 08/30/2002 12:29:06 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
See, I've opened myself up to seem even more stupid.

Let's just say, no I don't have up-to-date virus software. What do you recommend? And, if/when I install it, will it find these things?

22,520 posted on 08/30/2002 12:33:29 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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