The New Hobbit Hole

[ecurbh]

It is the full-length flickering one. We have not yet found a better copy out there. I am sure that there will be a high-quality version available on the OS before too long.

[HairOfTheDog]

Yes... One would hope we could be that patient ;~D

[Overtaxed]

How are they that different in the film than the books? - You speaking of Haldir? The Lothlorien elves were snotty in the book too - the thing with the blindfolds and such...

In the books the Lothlorien elves seem to be more cautious than arrogant. At least the book-Haldir greets Frodo courteously:

'Welcome!' the Elf then said again in the Common Language, speaking slowly. 'We seldom use any tongue but our own; for we dwell now in the heart of the forest, and do not willingly have dealings with any other folk.'

Isolating themselves isn't the same as being arrogant.

'But now we must debate no longer. Your folk must not remain on the ground.'

Here they show some concern for the safety of our travelers. At the blindfolding part, Haldir is rather apologetic when he explains that it is their law:

'I do not doubt you,' said Haldir. 'Yet this is our law. I am not the master of the law, and cannot set it aside.'

[HairOfTheDog]

A little more polite - yes!... I dunno... I certainly don't love anything that happens in Lothlorien in the film, but I don't particularly dislike the way they are potrayed either.

[Overtaxed]

See! I can say nice things about Elves. :)

Maybe it's just me but the book-Elves (Lothlorien) might be a bit stand-offish and unused to strangers but at least they're courteous. Yes they have the "dwarf breathing so loud" line in the book, but they say it to Legolas not to the whole company. And it's not the first words out of their mouths. In the movie they're looking down their noses the whole time that we see them. Maybe their "image" would improve if the Lothlorien scenes were expanded.

[Penny1]

Sorry, got buried with work this afternoon....

The "improved" version isn't that much better...I suppose if I played them back-to-back I might be able to tell, but it still flickers and the improvement isn't noticeable to me.

Bummer, huh?

[HairOfTheDog]

Well, it is OK for now... - Just curious! - Didn't want to miss it if you had found a better one!

[Penny1]

I think OT covered this one pretty well below, but I'll comment too.... I think the main problem is the Lorien elves, and Haldir and Co. specifically. The blindfold, remember, was just insisted upon for Gimli. It was the choice of the rest of the Fellowship to be blindfolded. There was a friendliness extended to most of the fellowship, especially when they hid them in the trees at night. I think OT said it best that they were cautious as opposed to arrogant.

And I think overall the book-elves just seem "brighter". They laugh a lot, they sing a lot, etc. It's almost as if while the book elves might have been standoffish too, their laughter and singing made up for whatever reservedness they had towards non-elves.

[htur_75]

You have been able to say it better than I have. But you do mirror my sentiments exactly. As much as I like Legolas in the movie, I do prefer the elves in book over the movie portrayal of them.

[irishtenor]

Actually, the book doesn't mention who made all of them. It does say that Sauron made the One, and that he never touched the 3 of the Elves. Other than that, it isn't clear who made what or who's technology it was.

[Overtaxed]

It's in The Silmarillion chapter "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age (I don't have ROTK with me at work today...it could be in the Appendices somewhere.) Sauron is in disguise as Annatar, Lord of Gifts:

In those days the smiths of Ost-in-Edhil surpassed all that they had contrived before; and they took thought, and they made Rings of Power. But Sauron guided their labours, and he was aware of all that they did; for his desire was to set a bond upon the Elves and to bring them under his vigilance.

Now the Elves made many rings; but secretly Sauron made One Ring to rule all the others, and their power was bound up with it, to be subject wholly to it and to last only so long as it too should last

[Overtaxed]

It's in The Silmarillion chapter "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age (I don't have ROTK with me at work today...it could be in the Appendices somewhere.) Sauron is in disguise as Annatar, Lord of Gifts:

In those days the smiths of Ost-in-Edhil surpassed all that they had contrived before; and they took thought, and they made Rings of Power. But Sauron guided their labours, and he was aware of all that they did; for his desire was to set a bond upon the Elves and to bring them under his vigilance.

Now the Elves made many rings; but secretly Sauron made One Ring to rule all the others, and their power was bound up with it, to be subject wholly to it and to last only so long as it too should last

[irishtenor]

The Orcs are double posting you again.

[Overtaxed]

Yeah, I know. Wonder if I can resist the urge to post all day. :)

[Overtaxed]

It worked!

[JenB]

Good morning! Thanks for posting that quote, but you didn't add the part about how Celebrimbor was suspicious of 'Annatar' and so made the Three in secret. I think suspicion of fair-seeming dark lords ran in his family, since his grandfather, Feanor, did the same sort of thing with his Silmarils. (Wouldn't let Morgoth take them into protective custody, basically, thus triggering the whole big thing that left thousands of Elves dead, the Trees destroyed, the Silmarils lost, and the Noldor in exile.)

[Overtaxed]

Good morning! Gil-galad and Mr. "Men are Weak" Elrond didn't trust him either. Here's the quote about Celebrimbor:

Therefore the Three remained unsullied, for they were forged by Celebrimbor alone, and the hand of Sauron had never touched them; yet they also were subject to the One.

Hmmm...double posts, saying nice things about Elves...I think I'd better go back to bed and try again tomorrow morning! :)

[Overtaxed]

Good morning! Gil-galad and Mr. "Men are Weak" Elrond didn't trust him either. Here's the quote about Celebrimbor:

Therefore the Three remained unsullied, for they were forged by Celebrimbor alone, and the hand of Sauron had never touched them; yet they also were subject to the One.

Hmmm...double posts, saying nice things about Elves...I think I'd better go back to bed and try again tomorrow morning! :)

[JenB]

I wouldn't think Elrond had that much say in anything yet - he doesn't seem to have much of a position of power until after the Last Alliance. Of course, I could be reading this wrong, but I think he's basically Gil-galad's heir.

Your Elf-posts were nice. I'd say they get you out of the corner for a while, anyway!

[JenB]

Going for the zeroes...