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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: htur_75
hehehehe - htur, You are quite safe within the Hobbit threads, except perhaps from Overtaxed, who likes to bash the elves ;~D

I would not recommend venturing very deep into Free Republic if you want to avoid attacks! It is dangerous out there!... unless of course you bring a good archer with you when you go! ;~D

2,141 posted on 04/10/2002 9:01:08 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Legolas is a very excelent archer. he he. I don't mind being atacked once in a while. It keeps the senses alert. I won't take things personal. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Even if it is the wrong one. Just kidding. :)
2,142 posted on 04/10/2002 9:03:58 AM PDT by htur_75
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To: HairOfTheDog
hehehehe - htur, You are quite safe within the Hobbit threads, except perhaps from Overtaxed, who likes to bash the elves

Hey...I resemble that remark! Are you trying to goad me into referring to elves with that cheese-eating epithet? :)

Why should I believe that the elves can do no wrong?

2,143 posted on 04/10/2002 9:37:04 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
hehehehe - htur, You are quite safe within the Hobbit threads, except perhaps from Overtaxed, who likes to bash the elves

Hey...I resemble that remark! Are you trying to goad me into referring to elves with that cheese-eating epithet? :)

Why should I believe that the elves can do no wrong?

2,144 posted on 04/10/2002 9:37:05 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Nobody says Elves do no wrong. We just say they're a lot smarter and nobler, in general, than humans. And they're utterly cool. Sometimes they make real big mistakes, or are nasty individuals, but they have a pretty good track record, in general.
2,145 posted on 04/10/2002 9:39:39 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
Who ME? Goad? Never! Good Morning! You gots them gremlins again!

Who ME? Goad? Never! Good Morning! You gots them gremlins again!

2,146 posted on 04/10/2002 9:40:22 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yeah...tell me about those gremlins.

Yeah...tell me about those gremlins. :) Two posts/click!

2,147 posted on 04/10/2002 9:45:21 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
If they're so noble, how come they're ditching Middle Earth and sticking mortals with their ring problem? I know, I fell off the wagon. That's what happens when you go out for pints with CD!
2,148 posted on 04/10/2002 9:47:45 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Haven't we been here before? They're mostly leaving because they have to, and because it's time for the humans now. And it isn't their ring problem, it was Sauron's doing! He's the one who corrupted the Rings and made that nasty soul-destroying One Ring.
2,149 posted on 04/10/2002 9:51:09 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
LOL! We've been there and done that. But "ring technology" came from the elves and they ought to bear some responsibility to set things right ring-wise.
2,150 posted on 04/10/2002 10:05:03 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; JenB
Actually, didn't the "ring technology" come from Sauron? He just passed on the knowledge to the elves which they used to create the 3. They just didn't realize his ulterior motives...

Or am I way off on that...

2,151 posted on 04/10/2002 10:18:25 AM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
No, the Elves had the bright idea, and then Sauron learned from them and made his own Ring.
2,152 posted on 04/10/2002 10:24:54 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
So there! :)
2,153 posted on 04/10/2002 10:26:39 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
That's where the movie was off. They said that Sauron made all the rings. That could be where Jenny1 got that info.
2,154 posted on 04/10/2002 11:07:27 AM PDT by htur_75
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To: htur_75
Sorry Penny1. Not Jenny1. Oops.
2,155 posted on 04/10/2002 11:08:06 AM PDT by htur_75
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To: JenB
okay, I wondered if I had it backwards....
2,156 posted on 04/10/2002 11:52:44 AM PDT by Penny1
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To: htur_75
LOL, no problem...

I think I'm just remembering the part I read in the Sil incorrectly--which is no big surprise since I wasn't following it all that well when I was reading it, lol.

I think the movie should have at least made it clear that the 3 rings for the elves were made BY the elves, rather than lumping them together with the rings for the dwarves and men. I hope they somehow clarify that later on, that the rings of the elves are different than the others.

2,157 posted on 04/10/2002 11:56:09 AM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
Right! The Elves hid their rings from Sauron...smart move. See...I said something nice about Elves!
2,158 posted on 04/10/2002 12:11:00 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
You got a bonus point from me. I'm like Sam. I can't ever get enough of hearing about elves. Preferably positive. Hehe.
2,159 posted on 04/10/2002 12:15:55 PM PDT by htur_75
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To: htur_75
Oh don't mind me...I just like to cause trouble every now and then. :)

I never should have seen the movie. It was Elrond's "Men are weak" comment and that stuck-up looking Haldir and his non-merry band that started me elf-bashing!

2,160 posted on 04/10/2002 12:28:35 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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