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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: 2Jedismom; HairOfTheDog
I wonder if that picture of Arwen is a scene from the ROTK, when she lies down to die?

Maybe she was just pining for the fjords.

19,921 posted on 08/19/2002 8:24:57 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; 2Jedismom
Maybe she was just pining! I have to take a bath and get into my jammies. bbl.
19,922 posted on 08/19/2002 8:27:47 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Bear_in_RoseBear
I have to take a bath and get into my jammies. bbl.

Me too. I'll be back but probably not long enough to stick around for the mega precious. I'm Tom Bombadil anyway...not impressed by such things!

19,923 posted on 08/19/2002 8:36:44 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
One of the things I noticed about the teasers and trailers for FOTR that were included on the DVD... they contained scenes that wound up not being included in the final cut of the movie, such as the "Elves going to the sea" scene. It makes me wonder what scenes from TTT we're seeing now, that won't be in the movie when it hits the big screen.
19,924 posted on 08/19/2002 8:40:20 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: 2Jedismom; HairOfTheDog; All
I'm headed off for bed... the Precious will have to wait for the morning crew.

Have a good night everyone!
19,925 posted on 08/19/2002 8:48:16 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Yes - that did happen... there were different versions of scenes used in the trailers too... The scene with Gandalf and Frodo showing the "Shadow of the Past" in the trailer was a different version than the one that was used in the film.
19,926 posted on 08/19/2002 8:51:47 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hey! I just found out where Aragorn got the "Ten Thousand Strong" when Theoden asked him how many orcs there were in the TT preview on the DVD.

Merry is describing Orthanc opening up and all the orcs and half-orcs and wildmen leaving to go fight at Helm's Deep. He says "...all sorts together, there must have been ten thousand at the very least..."

I thought that number sounded familiar...
19,927 posted on 08/19/2002 9:11:54 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Good night, BinRB
19,928 posted on 08/19/2002 9:14:55 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
That's a lot of orcs... I hope they don't come here.

Well jammies are on and bath put me to sleep! - Good night everyone! Turning in!
19,929 posted on 08/19/2002 9:21:08 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Good night Hair...here's a night light. It's the Helix Nebula. The Helix Nebula lies 450 light-years away towards the constellation of Aquarius and spans 1.5 light-years. This image was taken atop a dormant volcano in Hawaii.


19,930 posted on 08/19/2002 9:45:17 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Nice night light. G'night everyone.
19,931 posted on 08/19/2002 9:52:27 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; 2Jedismom; HairOfTheDog; Bear_in_RoseBear; Overtaxed; All
G'mornin' all...sorry for the cryptic, thread killin' posts yesterday...I was battlin' idjuts... should be fairly peaceful today...

Cool shot of the helix nebula 2JM...

Hey Hair, I downloaded the divx software at home and TTT trailer...is it supposed to be choppy?...I need to move it to my E drive, I'm thinkin'...

19,932 posted on 08/20/2002 5:21:06 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad; All
Good Morning!


19,933 posted on 08/20/2002 5:22:23 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
is it supposed to be choppy?

Mine was worse than choppy! Sound was okay but I got a series of stills that were slow in changing.

19,934 posted on 08/20/2002 5:24:22 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; 2Jedismom; All
Good morning, all! So...today is the long awaited day-of-the-quadruple-precious?

I found my Feadóg last night and did a little goofing around. Mostly it made me realize how long it's been since I've played a wind instrument, though actually that's what I started with (recorder and flute). The whole concept of "this is the same note in several different octaves depending on how you blow" is a bit foreign to me now...I kept trying to go lower and realizing I already WAS lower, I just had to blow differently!

I cheated and went back to fiddle, lazy hobbit that I am...

19,935 posted on 08/20/2002 5:40:40 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Overtaxed
Mine was worse than choppy! Sound was okay but I got a series of stills that were slow in changing

I guess choppy wasn't a good desciption...you're right...it was more like a series of stills...

G'mornin' OT...ready for a run?...

19,936 posted on 08/20/2002 5:43:49 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Sneak, sneaking, sneaker, sneaked, has sneaked, will sneak, could have sneaked.....sneak Oops! The Ring is slipping off!
19,937 posted on 08/20/2002 5:46:43 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; g'nad; RosieCotton; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; All
Good morning everyone! 20,000 posts today! What an incredible number.

I love that picture of the beach! Reminds me of home. I grew up just a few minutes from Surfside Texas.

My nebula seems to be gone this morning. Well, that's the way it is with stars.
19,938 posted on 08/20/2002 5:55:58 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I was trying to get a shot from the Hatteras Light but all their webcams seem to be out at the moment. At least I couldn't get a picture out of any of them!

BTW, I played the movie on my PC last night. The pause wasn't there at the end of The Council so it must be a player thing.
19,939 posted on 08/20/2002 5:58:39 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
My nebula seems to be gone this morning. Well, that's the way it is with stars.

It shows up for me. Very nice!

19,940 posted on 08/20/2002 6:19:11 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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