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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: carton253
And Smeagol gets 1900!
1,901 posted on 04/05/2002 9:21:14 AM PST by carton253
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To: JenB
Oh, by a second.... you win...
1,902 posted on 04/05/2002 9:21:50 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Haha! You got the last two, I deserve this one.
1,903 posted on 04/05/2002 9:22:52 AM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
No, Smeagol is very possessive and very selfish. I want... I want... I want... And besides someone this weekend will get the big 2000, since I am only on during work.
1,904 posted on 04/05/2002 9:24:05 AM PST by carton253
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To: JenB
Okay... let's go to the Green Dragon and talk about Aragorn, shall we? Pints are on me!
1,905 posted on 04/05/2002 9:27:50 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Probably won't be me since I'll be leaving tomorrow morning. Unless we get a real hot topic started right now.... hemm. "Boromir is a big jerk, part XXIV" starts now!
1,906 posted on 04/05/2002 9:28:16 AM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
You wanted Merry and Pippin? Pretty nifty character design, eh?


1,907 posted on 04/05/2002 9:29:57 AM PST by ecurbh
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To: All
A local movie poll needs freeping Movie Survey. Far right column under "Survey", scroll down a bit.
1,908 posted on 04/05/2002 9:30:07 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
Quit picking on Boromir, elf-friend! :)
1,909 posted on 04/05/2002 9:31:29 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I voted! (For Star Wars, of course)
1,910 posted on 04/05/2002 9:40:06 AM PST by carton253
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To: Overtaxed
No, I didn't. I voted for The Lord of the Rings. I will go see Star Wars, but the movie I really am anticipating is The Two Towers. So everyone go and vote!
1,911 posted on 04/05/2002 9:44:32 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Gollum Traitor!
1,912 posted on 04/05/2002 9:53:53 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: carton253
Guess I should have read all the posts before posting. I thought it was amusing that they had a "waiting for TT" choice available.
1,913 posted on 04/05/2002 9:55:14 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
FReeped.... three times!
1,914 posted on 04/05/2002 10:26:45 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hehehehe. How much will it take to overtake Star Wars?
1,915 posted on 04/05/2002 10:43:57 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Not long if that link gets posted on all the Tolkien message boards out there...hehehe....
1,916 posted on 04/05/2002 11:19:05 AM PST by Penny1
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To: Penny1
LOL! Then they can report that they've been freeped!
1,917 posted on 04/05/2002 11:21:18 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Penny1
You're right there! It's always interesting to see whether the Star Wars or the LotR fans win a particular poll.
1,918 posted on 04/05/2002 11:22:12 AM PST by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
Today's internal debate begins--the Cinerama's return engagement of LOTR begins today...

Hmmm...."to go...or not to go...that is the question..." ;)

Should I check out the theater for us, just so that I know that everything will be a go for Tuesday? I mean, I really should make sure the preview is attached to the movie now, right? So, you know, just to be safe I should go see the movie and preview again....can't be too careful...

It's dangerous having LOTR playing a mere 6 blocks from my office! :)

1,919 posted on 04/05/2002 11:24:04 AM PST by Penny1
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To: 2JedisMom; aBootes; allthatisgolddoesnotglitter; Anitius Severinus Boethius; BibChr; Blue Eyes...
Poll at 1908 needs to be FReeped!

Please - we can't have the Clones win! hehehehe - Happy Friday folks!

1,920 posted on 04/05/2002 11:24:09 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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