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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
Renich i lú i erui govannem?
Nauthannen i ned ôl reniannen.
Gwennin in enninath, Ú-'arnech in naeth i si celich.

1,881 posted on 04/05/2002 7:23:40 AM PST by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
I REALLY want the video that has the Japanese on it--it has provided the best captures I've seen of the trailer...
1,882 posted on 04/05/2002 7:23:58 AM PST by Penny1
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To: ecurbh
That doesn't look familiar or elvish to me... you cad!
1,883 posted on 04/05/2002 7:34:18 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh; HairOfTheDog; TBP
Really, for anyone to think that LOTR is just a "guy" story is just rediculous. It is one of the most romantic stories I've ever read. You just aren't spoon-fed the romance. You have to have a pretty good understanding of what is truly romantic to get it.

And you don't have vulgarity stuffed down your thoat either.

1,884 posted on 04/05/2002 7:36:53 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: Penny1
I have it Penny - The Japanese version. It isn't the full length trailer, but you are right, the quality and the color is better... but the link I had to it is dead. I can bring it to you Tuesday... it is a 9 MB file, so I don't know of another way of getting it to you.
1,885 posted on 04/05/2002 7:39:14 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
That is the dialog between Arwen and Aragorn in Rivendell. Now ecurb's feelingses are hurts...
1,886 posted on 04/05/2002 7:48:43 AM PST by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
It is? (((((((ecurbh))))))))

Sorry to doubt you, but I did a search on it in the book, and of course did not find it there! You are not a cad! and I am a dolt for not searching on the script. Actually I am a dolt for not believing you in the first place!

1,887 posted on 04/05/2002 7:52:50 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh
A si i-dhuath u-orthor, Aragorn. U or le a u or nin
1,888 posted on 04/05/2002 7:58:30 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Whew! Glad to have your trust back. ;-)

I found all the elvish phrases "created" for the movie here.

1,889 posted on 04/05/2002 8:03:11 AM PST by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh;2Jedismom;penny1;JenB;Overtaxed;carton253
That is a cool site! - Have you seen this version of the script? - it is artfully done... Fellowship of the Ring Script

Any interest in the Green Dragon now? - I have Prepared the Prancing Pony Post!

1,890 posted on 04/05/2002 8:11:03 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
That works for me! Thanks, ma'am!

Too bad it's the shorter version, but we'll take what we can get, eh? ;)

1,891 posted on 04/05/2002 8:43:53 AM PST by Penny1
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To: HairOfTheDog
I have Prepared the Prancing Pony Post!

Are we there yet?

1,892 posted on 04/05/2002 8:45:03 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Well, I am going to go post it now... We aren't going to get there at the pace we are moving this morning unless I put a whip to this group!
1,893 posted on 04/05/2002 8:59:30 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Don't know about you, but I'm ready for a good pint and we missed the best beer in Eastfarthing.
1,894 posted on 04/05/2002 9:06:57 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
"Where there's a whip, there's a way!"

Anyone else remember the, um, "interesting" Rankin-Bass version of The Return of the King, featuring singing orcs?

1,895 posted on 04/05/2002 9:08:48 AM PST by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
Yes, and that is the tune that was playing in my head.... ;~D
1,896 posted on 04/05/2002 9:14:06 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh
Ewww... I've avoided that one. It looks painful. Someone needs to post a picture of the 'real' Merry and Pippin.
1,897 posted on 04/05/2002 9:15:44 AM PST by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
Quick! Help me think of something to say about this week's chapter! I'm being incapacitated by the arrival of Aragorn!
1,898 posted on 04/05/2002 9:18:30 AM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Steady, Jen, Steady!
1,899 posted on 04/05/2002 9:20:59 AM PST by carton253
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To: JenB
Oh, I give in. Desperate bid for glory before Carton shows up.
1,900 posted on 04/05/2002 9:21:12 AM PST by JenB
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