Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
You can't trust somebody who wears white out-of-season.
I am beginning to weary of going onto those threads to play Rodney King. It looks like we need a war just to concentrate folks attitudes.
You'd think that dwarf Gimli would know that you can't destroy that shiny thing with an axe. That prince from the big city seems pretty arrogant too.
I as there until 9:13. I had started the movie but it got too distracting trying to watch the movie and looking for folkses. I still had to go to bed before Lothlorien.
Those shiny things are dangerous.
Excellent, but I recommend you see it in a theatre-dark room with the sound up. Way up.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....snort...cough...hmmmm....oh, excuse me. Must've drifted off...
Good morning all. Corin, Jr. and I started watching last night after we got home from National Night Out (a stellar success if I do say so myself). So we started out at 10:30 p.m. I knew it was a mistake, but I wanted to, and he really wanted me to watch it with him. However, I fell asleep in Lothlorien and woke up when Boromir was trying to take the ring from Frodo...
The only other thing we watched last night as the behind the scenes preview, which was pretty cool.
Okay, my questions - which were probably answered long before I arrived at the Hobbit Hole...
1) That "shiny thing" on the horizon in the Shire. Early speculation was that it was a car driving in the background. We saw it in the theater, but missed it last night (we didn't replay to verify). Is it gone, or did we just miss it on the small screen?
2) Tracks in the snow...again, it was said that crossing the mountain the tracks weren't there. But I thought I saw them...
Beyond that, it was sooooo cool to have. The clarity of the pictures is great. Last night was the first time I actually observed the changing of the size of the ring. And it's the first time Corin, Jr. connected the stone trolls with Bilbo's story (I had to help him a little).
I was probably too fuzzy last night to observe much more.
I looked but the "shiny thing" was too small to see. Guess I need a bigger TV and a new monitor.
Tracks in the snow.....I didn't notice. Perhaps 2JM can help us out there.
I understand. I don't like to talk about this too much. It's too painful. Mrs. Stormhands has never seen the movie...it's been difficult...
Actually, she very graciously allows me to take Corin, Jr. to the movies while she stays home with the little one. She goes on occasion, but usually waits for the VHS/DVD. We rarely see movies in the theater that Corin, Jr. wouldn't see. She watched part of it last night, but had to do some work for school. So she'll catch it later this week. (my guess is we'll be watching it again)
How about this:
A 20" Flat Panel LCD monitor? Only $1,549 at the Dell website.
You could probably get it shipped and have it by early next week. ;^)
Well, I am playing my morning movie while I sip my coffee... I didn't get all the way through last night before I fell asleep. Alas...
After some goofing off this morning, I am afraid I should probably get back to work today!
You're buying, right?
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