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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
I thought there was something wrong with your sound... you haven't watched it since?

Sound went down, monitor went down, modem went down and the PC was in the shop. I did get a couple of chances to see it between catching up at work! I REALLLLY need to get a new system!

16,841 posted on 08/05/2002 7:17:06 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
They didn't have to buy supplies, food, anything!

The last time they bought something was at Butterbur's. I reckon the rest of it was "for the war effort."

16,842 posted on 08/05/2002 7:18:33 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Yeah - sounds like you have gotten all the useful life you are gonna get out of your system... I thought the upgrade already happened thought... guess that was just the monitor?
16,843 posted on 08/05/2002 7:18:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
They didn't have to buy supplies, food, anything!

Not too many 7-11's on their route, as I remember.

16,844 posted on 08/05/2002 7:19:45 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
the only one who was rumored to be going from Elrond's household was Arwen

That's right! And now she's rumored to turn up at the Battle of Helm's Deep... she just wants to worm her way into every aspect of the series, doesn't she?

16,845 posted on 08/05/2002 7:19:51 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Well, she got the cool armor, she wants to wear it!
16,846 posted on 08/05/2002 7:21:41 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
guess that was just the monitor?

Yep, a Dell right out of the box. Only 15 inches though -- bummer!!

16,847 posted on 08/05/2002 7:21:44 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Rocko
Yes, but did you read it 19 times?

I have!

16,848 posted on 08/05/2002 7:21:54 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Yeah - so has 2J... That challenge isn't gonna work....
16,849 posted on 08/05/2002 7:23:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Monitor....I need a new monitor especially since I went and ordered that combo drive.
16,850 posted on 08/05/2002 7:24:00 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
she got the cool armor, she wants to wear it!

At least we know she won't have a big rifle.

She won't have a big rifle, will she?

16,851 posted on 08/05/2002 7:26:42 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Overtaxed
You did? - You are getting the combo drive AND the DVD player? Wow...

Oh - I looked on my DVD player, it is an S video out only ... so what does that do for me? - Could I play DVDs onto my machine? - perhaps record them?

Hardware is not my strong suit.
16,852 posted on 08/05/2002 7:27:07 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
LOL! - When I first read your post, I read it as...

"At least we know she won't have a big ruffle. She won't have a big ruffle will she?"

Which is just as funny.
16,853 posted on 08/05/2002 7:28:19 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yes, but I've also read Silmarillion 9 times, Book of Lost Tales thrice, Unfinished Tales at least a half dozen times, and I wrote my term paper mainly on LotR and Tolkien's essay on Beowulf. Top that!
16,854 posted on 08/05/2002 7:31:44 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
Could I play DVDs onto my machine? - perhaps record them?

You should be able to.

16,855 posted on 08/05/2002 7:31:55 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
You finished the Unfinished Tales? nyuck, nyuck, nyuck
16,856 posted on 08/05/2002 7:36:30 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Which is just as funny.

LOL! You're right, it is! But wait... maybe she'll have some big ruffles for the wedding?

16,857 posted on 08/05/2002 7:37:12 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: JenB; HairOfTheDog; Bear_in_RoseBear; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; All
'Nite everyone. Can't stay up late tonight if I'm chatting tomorrow!
16,858 posted on 08/05/2002 7:39:27 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Good night!
16,859 posted on 08/05/2002 7:41:31 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
You are in the running for most obsessed, but I would argue that you are too diversified... you read all kinds of stuff...

2J and I, on the other hand, aren't into all kinds of different fantasy novels, this is the only one. It is the singularity of purpose that makes us different.
16,860 posted on 08/05/2002 7:44:08 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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