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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sneak!
16,401 posted on 08/02/2002 4:48:52 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA! :)
16,402 posted on 08/02/2002 4:49:51 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
That was like takin' candy from a baby!

I was off doin' other stuff!
16,403 posted on 08/02/2002 4:51:19 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Candy good!
16,404 posted on 08/02/2002 4:52:29 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I am gonna take a nap for a bit, now that the phone is unlikely to bring work. I am tired of sitting in this chair... back in a bit!
16,405 posted on 08/02/2002 4:55:01 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
Candy good!

Hmm, have you been hanging around g'nad a lot recently? ;)

16,406 posted on 08/02/2002 4:57:21 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: 2Jedismom; HairOfTheDog
Thank you for the invite and info!
16,407 posted on 08/02/2002 5:00:24 PM PDT by Ladysmith
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Ummmm.....just getting into that whole good/bad thing! :)
16,408 posted on 08/02/2002 5:02:14 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Hi! Where is everyone? I'm back early from my life of crime - er, pizza job. But I did have to pick a padlock in the line of duty today - with the owner's permission, he couldn't get his cash out and I thought I could do it without breaking the lock. It worked....

We had a business lunch today and I have a deadline at my real job! It's so exciting, I've never done this before. That's tongue in cheek, guys, at least mostly.

So.... it's Friday. Who's got the wings?

16,409 posted on 08/02/2002 7:13:56 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Hi! I finished the wings sorry. I guess people are out and about.
16,410 posted on 08/02/2002 7:38:18 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Grr, and you're gonna insult Elves, aren't you? I think I'm going to bed...
16,411 posted on 08/02/2002 7:45:33 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
I'm here! Good evening!
16,412 posted on 08/02/2002 7:50:01 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB; Overtaxed
Hi there! Steve just went to get some milk. I have to have it to make the starter for my waffles for in the morning.

The boys played with a couple of gigantic toads out in the back yard till it was too dark to see, then Steve bathed them while I made brownies. I'm totally stuffed.
16,413 posted on 08/02/2002 7:50:02 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Good evening! I was hoping for rain, it clouded up but not a drop fell.
16,414 posted on 08/02/2002 7:51:15 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
We may get rain here this weekend, course I am going on a trail ride tomorrow, may be the first day in a month we get rain! - ah well, at least it won't be hot!
16,415 posted on 08/02/2002 7:54:22 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I can't believe the DVD is going to be out in just a few more days! Such a long wait! I can't wait to be able to look at it frame by frame! So many times things happen fast and in the corners of my eye that I think "Now I wish I could freeze it and go back and look at it again!"
16,416 posted on 08/02/2002 7:57:27 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I am just looking forward to having it on my bigger screen, where I can sit back on the couch and watch it instead of my computer. although... I am actually looking forward to my old 27" TV dying (it keeps threatening to) so I can justify a bigger one ;~D
16,417 posted on 08/02/2002 8:01:37 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
LOL! I was just thinking the exact thing! Except ours is a 21"! I was watching it today and I thought I might have seen a line through it. I watched carefully but it was America's Funniest Home Videos and it was the video they were showing that had the line through it. Shucks!
16,418 posted on 08/02/2002 8:03:57 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB
Grr, and you're gonna insult Elves, aren't you?

Well if you really want me to....

16,419 posted on 08/02/2002 8:06:31 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
Shucks is right! - Mine was making and intermittant buzzing sound a while back... haven't heard it now for awhile. Shucks!

Hey my cat just brought in a mouse... Well, not just, I sortof noticed him playing with something behind me for the last 15 minutes or so, but I didn't pay attention to what he was playing with! Eeek! - Good kitty! - ummmm... not in the house though, let me have that please! - Ouch! - Thank you!
16,420 posted on 08/02/2002 8:08:50 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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