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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, the first one is at 80% and it's been over half an hour...I'm going to take a bath and then come back and do the other half.

I sure wish you'd been here tonight! I fried some yellow squash and some green tomatoes. Ate them with ranch dip. MMMMmmmmm!
16,261 posted on 08/01/2002 8:14:52 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Hullo! Finally back from work. The doctor said to rest and take vitamins, too bad that's impossible. Is it the end of August yet? I need school to start so I can be somewhat less busy!
16,262 posted on 08/01/2002 8:30:27 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
You should go to bed with your book and read and relax! I'm at 85% on this download and as soon as it's done, that's what I'm going to do!

The first one was fantastic! Loved seeing the screen caps come to life! The TT is going to fantastic.

My mom ordered the FOTR DVD for me...er...Matthew's birthday. Gets a free tee-shirt with it and it's an extra large. I guess I'll have to wear it till he grows in to it.

I'm getting the extended release for Christmas.
16,263 posted on 08/01/2002 8:58:35 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh my heavens the second one is incredible!!! Merry has his bo-bo over his right eye in this one!! In both scenes...the one where he is down on the ground with Pippin and also when he and Pippin turn around when the orcs are approaching them...

Still can't tell what Eowyn is standing by...
16,264 posted on 08/01/2002 9:11:46 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Weren't those marvelous?! - And Frodo in his scene... the one where he says "The Ring will not save Gondor.... [shiver] he is so changed! That boy is gonna break my heart, I know it!
16,265 posted on 08/01/2002 9:19:38 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
I liked PJ too... his style of taking us on a drive....
16,266 posted on 08/01/2002 9:20:28 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, I just feel so vindicated about that cut over Merry's eye. I blew it up to full screen and it was very obvious in the "preview" scene and heck, blood is running down the side of his face in the standing up scene!

Still, why did they edit it out, I wonder? Humph.

Yep...Frodo looks dreadful. That picture haunted me for days. At least he isn't saying anything evil!
16,267 posted on 08/01/2002 9:21:54 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Oh the gash is there! - I am so glad! I hate to admit I didn't notice... so I watched it again!
16,268 posted on 08/01/2002 9:33:31 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I am postively astounded you didn't notice. Hair, how long have we been friends?

;-)
16,269 posted on 08/01/2002 9:45:50 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Good night sis! See you in the morning!
16,270 posted on 08/01/2002 9:51:28 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I said I hated to admit it! - I am ashamed! Blame it on the excitement of the moment.
16,271 posted on 08/01/2002 9:57:32 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom; Bear_in_RoseBear; ksen; g'nad; Overtaxed; JenB
Aaarrgghhh!!!!

I am So over the Edge !! !

Corin, Jr. and I were in Blockbuster tonite. Now, I'm not sure if what I saw was the real thing or just the promotional materials, but there was a box behind the counter labeled "Lord of the ...DVD" almost just like that...

That's just cruel.

16,272 posted on 08/01/2002 10:40:20 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Did you go check it out? - You just walked by? Why didn't you find out? Help me here!
16,273 posted on 08/01/2002 10:45:41 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: All
So Good Evening and Good Night all.

Up way to late working on a project (one of many), but I can't see straight enough to do anything else. I'm off to bed.

Looks like I'll miss a semi-precious in the a.m. as well...sigh...

16,274 posted on 08/01/2002 10:46:09 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
Why didn't you find out? Help me here!

It was sealed and behind the counter. Corin Jr. offered a bribe to the sales clerk. He didn't take it...

16,275 posted on 08/01/2002 10:47:25 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Oh... A sealed box! - Very exciting... I get it now!

Good night Corin!
16,276 posted on 08/01/2002 10:51:56 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
g'nad, you should seriously think of driving down to Richmond this December

I'll think about it...seriously...is it a drama or just a concert? We do a Cantata at Christmas at our church, and usually do a few performances...

16,277 posted on 08/02/2002 4:57:21 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog
Corin Jr. offered a bribe to the sales clerk. He didn't take it...

Sounds like Corin and Corin jr. need to take g'nad's course on "Making Friends and Influencing People"...through intimidation and promises of ultra-violence...usually works for me...I think it's the haircut...anyway, it's kinda hard for someone to tell you "no" when they're gasping for air...

16,278 posted on 08/02/2002 5:01:59 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad; All
Good Morning everyone! Wake up and smell the coffee!

er...water...

...um....Dr. Pepper?....


16,279 posted on 08/02/2002 5:03:22 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom; Bear_in_RoseBear; ksen; Overtaxed; JenB
G'mornin' everyone...won't be around much today...gotta go into D.C....pray that I don't go postal in the traffic...Does anyone remember the movie Falling Dowm???...
16,280 posted on 08/02/2002 5:09:53 AM PDT by g'nad
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