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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: JenB
Well, my day is still in progress, only 2:45 here... got some stuff done and made folk happy in my day job, which is always good!

The Green Dragon is going along really nicely! - I am happy that so many others have deep things to say, because I have been at a loss for deep thoughts lately.
15,541 posted on 07/29/2002 2:44:58 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
By the way, since we may be having visitors, can we start a big flame war? Just to make sure we don't get too many weirdoes stopping by? Some of these new people who've arrived in the last, oh, four months are Not Our Type, if you know what I mean....

;-) - I really like all the more recent hobbits and dwarves and men of Gondor.

15,542 posted on 07/29/2002 2:47:56 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; JenB; HairOfTheDog
Oh my STARS! Look at this one!!

http://img-www.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/4314.jpg
15,543 posted on 07/29/2002 2:48:37 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Does this load quicker?


15,544 posted on 07/29/2002 2:52:36 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Yeah - it did... I am sure most of the trouble was at TORN... They often get slow. The same pics will probably load faster later on when they are NOT getting a bejillion hits on them all at the same time.

That one is a TTT shot... From when the Riders of Rohan ride up on the three as they are running. Would be appropriate over in the Green Dragon. That is right where we are in the discussion! - Would you like to go post it there for us?
15,545 posted on 07/29/2002 2:58:35 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
That one was a lot quicker!

Caption: Oh, hi! You guys must be the Riders of Rohan... uhmm, so, how's it goin'?
15,546 posted on 07/29/2002 3:00:44 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
I don't have a host that posts for more than a couple of days or so...these will be gone in just a few days. Good Lord look at Frodo!!!!


15,547 posted on 07/29/2002 3:01:45 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB
Jen, you are supposed to be on your BEST behavior!

Must I mention Tooks corner?
15,548 posted on 07/29/2002 3:02:12 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom; maquiladora
Those are better, still... don't post TOOO many, or you will still kill off all the low ping guys. Restraint my dear! Restraint!

These are a great raft of pics... what a treasure trove after all this waiting... been a long time since we had new stuff to talk about.

As soon as I can get through them all, I will post a few of the TTT shots over in the TTT spoiler thread too... Perhaps when the flurry of activity is over and I can tell that TORN is not so slow to load them... some of them are clearly from TTT, though most seem to be sneak previews of the Extended FoTR... All jumbled together!
15,549 posted on 07/29/2002 3:10:01 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Can you believe Frodo though??? He looks dreadful in that picture!

I'm starting to shake.
15,550 posted on 07/29/2002 3:11:56 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Poor Frodo will look worse still before it is over I am afraid!

These pics are so great!

15,551 posted on 07/29/2002 3:18:03 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
EEEK! - Oooh nice shot of Gandalf on Shadowfax with Legolas... looks to be inside the stable at Edoras? - Minus Tirith perhaps, but the architecture looks like Edoras, so that is my bet....

http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/4312
15,552 posted on 07/29/2002 3:20:44 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; ecurbh
Somebody needs to download these pictures so we can look at them at a more brisk pace! ECURB!!!
15,553 posted on 07/29/2002 3:21:03 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom; HairOfTheDog
He looks dreadful in that picture!

Could he be under the influence of The Precious?

15,554 posted on 07/29/2002 3:21:14 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I think it looks like he is surrounded by big folk... I think he has been found by Faramir and party and is frightened...
15,555 posted on 07/29/2002 3:23:24 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I think so! I need a tranquilizer. I'm going nuts! THis is the most excited I've been since the preview came out!!
15,556 posted on 07/29/2002 3:24:12 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
I dunno, he looked more, uhm, ticked off to me. I couldn't make out Big Folk in the picture, the background appears too dark on my monitor, but I guess it could be...

I thought it might be the scene where Frodo tells Gollum a thing or two about who's in charge...
15,557 posted on 07/29/2002 3:26:11 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: 2Jedismom
I am downloading them as I view them.... But I don't have a good place to post them...
15,558 posted on 07/29/2002 3:27:33 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Definitely when Frodo meets up with Faramir (the men of his company seem to be walking in the back...perhaps Damrod or Mablung?)...I suspect Faramir has just accused Frodo of being in on the plot to kill Boromir? I don't know what this is about...I can't wait!!
15,559 posted on 07/29/2002 3:28:46 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
I could make a new album and put them on FOTKI? Then we could just go to that album? They won't be as big, but they'll be alright. Have to be this evening, though.
15,560 posted on 07/29/2002 3:30:21 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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