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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: drstevej
Hated Shrek. Good night everyone!
15,021 posted on 07/24/2002 10:00:51 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: SuziQ
I love it when I reply to someone from 100 posts ago and it bears no resemblance to anything being discussed at the moment! It helps keep folks confused!
15,022 posted on 07/24/2002 10:02:16 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: 2Jedismom
I am so glad Katie is settling in! I must admit I do not know my terriers! There are lots of different ones.

Well, I am actually going to bed this time, but had to say hi to you! - If I don't get some sleep.... well, I am already gonna be sorry in the morning!
15,023 posted on 07/24/2002 10:04:51 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
Your Katie is so cute!! I like dogs about that size. Just right for snuggling up on the couch in the winter! We used to have a dachshund that slept with my sister and me when we were little. She'd burrow down to the bottom of the bed under the covers and kep our feet real warm. When Daddy would pat on the covers and say, "That's my Susan, that's my Jo-Jo", Susie (the dog) would growl at him and he would just laugh! She was such a sweetie! And yes, she was named after me, but not by my family; we inherited her from some friends who liked the name Susie, so named the dog accordingly.
15,024 posted on 07/24/2002 10:06:55 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Ohhhh! LOL Well, I'll definitely give you that one! We had set up late Friday night and then were packing up again on Sunday morning, and I was thinking, "What the heck?..." The "maiden voyage" was too short yet I did see how I needed some time to take care of business at home afterwards. Three-day weekends are in order, or set up the previous day,...or something! lol
15,025 posted on 07/25/2002 2:26:22 AM PDT by Ladysmith
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Welcome!

I'll have to take some, no make that a lot, of time and read through this thread.

Don't feel like you have to read the whole thread. Just make sure you're here for our Two Towers discussion.

15,026 posted on 07/25/2002 3:32:40 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
She's just precious.

How does Katie feel about whistles?

15,027 posted on 07/25/2002 3:34:59 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
She's just precious.

How does Katie feel about whistles?

15,028 posted on 07/25/2002 3:35:59 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
"They have a cave troll."
15,029 posted on 07/25/2002 4:06:18 AM PDT by Rocko
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To: Rocko; Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog; JenB; Alkhin; DonnerT; Bear_in_RoseBear; All
Good morning all!

I hope everyone got enough sleep last night? I'll rummage around for some breakfast......
15,030 posted on 07/25/2002 5:20:16 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Hullo! - Good morning! Breakfast would be very nice!

I will be out today - on the road. Hope everyone has a good day! Gotta get ready to go soon, but first one more cup of coffee!

15,031 posted on 07/25/2002 5:23:35 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
Good Morning! Is it Friday yet?
15,032 posted on 07/25/2002 5:24:01 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: ksen
With Hair out on the road and Jen just out we should have a clear field for elf-bashing. :)
15,033 posted on 07/25/2002 5:25:36 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
If there is elf bashing while I am on the road, I will feel it.
15,034 posted on 07/25/2002 5:31:00 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: All

How about an oriental breakfast?


After all the Danny Boy talk, maybe you'd like a little Irish breakfast?


Or something more traditional.


Oh yeah, and here is some breakfast for Bear. ;^)

Enjoy!

15,035 posted on 07/25/2002 5:34:52 AM PDT by ksen
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I'm hungry now. ;^(
15,036 posted on 07/25/2002 5:36:31 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Thanks! - Traditional for me....
15,037 posted on 07/25/2002 5:37:41 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
Did someone mention Elf-bashing?
15,038 posted on 07/25/2002 5:39:14 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Mmmmm....thanks for breakfast! One really shouldn't elf-bash on an empty stomach.
15,039 posted on 07/25/2002 5:44:13 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
She doesn't seem to mind my whistle, but she may be too freaked out about the whole experience to worry about it yet.
15,040 posted on 07/25/2002 5:47:27 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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