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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: g'nad
Sounds like a very dangerous trip g'nad! Roadside salvaging! I could use those 2X4s!

I picked up three bales of alfalfa last year after I drove by them twice in the road and no one had come back for them...
13,901 posted on 07/18/2002 7:38:28 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Inge_CAV
It is a sad story, I remember bawling and sobbing! - and the guy I was dating looking back at me blubbering without a hint of a tear in his eye. That relationship was doomed.
13,902 posted on 07/18/2002 7:40:52 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I picked up three bales of alfalfa last year after I drove by them twice in the road and no one had come back for them...

You feed your horses roadkill??!! They shouldn't have been surprised by what they found in the water bucket.

13,903 posted on 07/18/2002 7:41:05 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I have the eebie jeebies myself... If I see a mosquito right now I may just run away screaming.

Are Ian and his boyfriend really better than this?
13,904 posted on 07/18/2002 7:42:48 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
Hehehe....must be some other dwarf driving around Durham.
13,905 posted on 07/18/2002 7:43:08 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
I could use those 2X4s!

I dunno...they were pretty splintered and shattered...falling off a truck going 80 mph will do that...good call on the alfalfa...

I was cruising the yahoo sight last nite... looks good... my 'puter ain't gotta mike (a holdover from the First Age), but I got speakers...Mine mine mine!!!

13,906 posted on 07/18/2002 7:44:53 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: HairOfTheDog
You did the right thing too....... : )

13,907 posted on 07/18/2002 7:46:54 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

13,908 posted on 07/18/2002 7:47:19 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Yes, I fed my horses road-kill alfalfa! I admit it!

We have a place called Wolf Haven here (some of the newly released Yellowstone wolves were bred here) that takes all the road kill critters and deer and feed them to the wolves. They will come and get it too if you report it!

I love to visit Wolf Haven... Some nights in the summer they have howl-ins... somebody gets them started and you can go listen to them howling!
13,909 posted on 07/18/2002 7:49:05 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog
Nice breakfast, but isn't that a little black feather floating in the coffee!!
13,910 posted on 07/18/2002 7:50:18 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: g'nad
I was cruising the yahoo sight last nite...

Cool! - Now that everyone is in... we should do a chat some night! And with speakers, you can listen to 2J and OT whistling for us!
13,911 posted on 07/18/2002 7:51:10 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Don't you like the fancy stirrers?
13,912 posted on 07/18/2002 7:51:20 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I guess everyone is busy eating now... I will go scare up a bit of breakfast myself!
13,913 posted on 07/18/2002 8:02:39 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Breakfast? It's almost time for lunch!
13,914 posted on 07/18/2002 8:04:19 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
In your hemisphere! - It is only 8:00 here!
13,915 posted on 07/18/2002 8:08:13 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
The movie struck me as being a propaganda vehicle for the abortion industry.

When John Updike accepted his Academy Award for best Adapted Screenplay for "Cider House Rules", he went into a long pro-abortion diatribe onstage. I knew then and there I wouldn't be watching THAT one!

13,916 posted on 07/18/2002 8:12:13 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Overtaxed
Are you feeling well? - I have never known a hobbit to turn down a second breakfast! - Eggo waffle anyone?
13,917 posted on 07/18/2002 8:14:01 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
and had to watch Gandalf making a spectacle of himself in the audience.)

When our 14 yr. old daughter saw Ian McKellan with his 'boy toy' at the Oscars, she asked who it was. I told her it was his 'boyfriend' with a big emphasis on the BOY. She just rolled her eyes. She had already read that Ian was homosexual, she just thought it was kind of tacky of him to act the way he did that night.

13,918 posted on 07/18/2002 8:15:34 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sure I'll have second breakfast...er third breakfast...um Lunch!
13,919 posted on 07/18/2002 8:16:55 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
You probably know that they are almost as good at imitating the human voice as the parrot family.

And here I've been thinking all these years that Edgar Allen Poe must have been in some drug induced state when he heard the Raven say "Nevermore"!

13,920 posted on 07/18/2002 8:17:53 AM PDT by SuziQ
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