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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
Hello! I am having a nice restful evening. What's up?
13,781 posted on 07/17/2002 6:44:40 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
which soap do you watch?

CBS soaps here... As the World Turns and Guiding Light. I first got into them in 1983, during my first summer home from college. Yes, after that I scheduled classes around my soaps, and later bought my first VCR so I could tape them the while I was working. Terrible, isn't it?

13,782 posted on 07/17/2002 6:45:06 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
Sorry to hear you're not getting any rain... we've had rain here in Central Texas every day for the last 23 days. Every river south of here is in flood. I wish we could send some your way... usually we have droughts and water rationing every summer.
13,783 posted on 07/17/2002 6:50:58 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Corin Stormhands
Sorry to hear you're not getting any rain

Where are Denis and Floyd when you need them?

13,784 posted on 07/17/2002 6:53:54 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
What's up?

Talkin' to Bear about soap operas... talking to Corin about rain... havent had a chance to talk to Corin about the fish yet, but I wish the new fish health and vigor. OT freezes dirt and then examines it... and Sabertooth is talking to me about terrorism on another thread.

13,785 posted on 07/17/2002 6:56:54 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Terrible, isn't it?

Oh I don't know that it is so terrible, but it is curious! - Does Mrs. Rosebear watch them too?

13,786 posted on 07/17/2002 6:58:43 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
The freezer sounds wonderful at the moment... It is hot here!

Well, at the moment the temperature is 81, the humidity is 83% and the heat index is 88, and this is at 10 pm. Please don't mock us sufferers in the rest of the country by complaining about the heat in Seatte.

13,787 posted on 07/17/2002 6:59:09 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
So... what do you want to talk about with me? ;-)
13,788 posted on 07/17/2002 6:59:33 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
So... what do you want to talk about with me? ;-)

I dunno Jen!... we could go find that silly boy and further educate him on wimmin, or you could talk about work, or we launch a fundraiser to buy LCS his own freezer to go stand in!

13,789 posted on 07/17/2002 7:03:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
The movie struck me as being a propaganda vehicle for the abortion industry. I should have known since it actually WON a couple of Oscars.

Michael Caine's acceptance speech at the Oscars supports your observation, as does John Irving's notes at the end of the novel trashing conservatives. (It's sad to see a talented novelist stoop to agitprop.)

13,790 posted on 07/17/2002 7:04:46 PM PDT by Rocko
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To: Overtaxed
"Where are Denis and Floyd when you need them?"

Far away, I hope. What a thought!

13,791 posted on 07/17/2002 7:05:04 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog
Does Mrs. Rosebear watch them too?

Oh, yes. She also likes The Young and the Restless and The Bold and the Beautiful, two soaps I can't stand.

13,792 posted on 07/17/2002 7:06:08 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Sam Cree
Well....maybe just one of them?
13,793 posted on 07/17/2002 7:06:43 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Who are Denis and Floyd?
13,794 posted on 07/17/2002 7:11:01 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
Just got home from church and 00 so near.
13,795 posted on 07/17/2002 7:11:17 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: DonnerT
Honestly!
13,796 posted on 07/17/2002 7:13:19 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: HairOfTheDog
If we do a fundraiser, the money goes to put me through school! ;-p

Work... it was good, I didn't do any JavaScript but worked on something for a presentation to a potential client - I just prepare them, I don't give them, thankfully. And I only worked about 6 hours- a half day, for me!

*Yawn* Going to hit the hay soon, I think.
13,797 posted on 07/17/2002 7:13:22 PM PDT by JenB
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To: DonnerT
No precious thieves allowed!
13,798 posted on 07/17/2002 7:13:40 PM PDT by JenB
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To: DonnerT
Sneak attack!
13,799 posted on 07/17/2002 7:13:41 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Noooo!
13,800 posted on 07/17/2002 7:13:59 PM PDT by JenB
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