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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
re Jeeps and Dwarves, perhaps if we are refering to the old jeeps, the 4 cyl, 3 speed, fold down windshield, manually turned lock out hubs, then I could see it; mine would be the vintage as well, say a 1952 Dodge Power Wagon. (if I knew how to post a picture I would) you still occasionally see them, rural fire depts and the logging and mining folks, hmmmm. maybe we're on to something here.
13,441 posted on 07/14/2002 3:37:00 PM PDT by osagebowman
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To: Overtaxed; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Welcome back! Now if we can get Penny's connection straightened out we can start the official TTT discussion hint hint hint

Hear Hear! Welcome back LCS!

You were missed!

13,442 posted on 07/14/2002 3:49:58 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: osagebowman
heeheehee

Yes I am definately thinking of the old army-type jeep. Can picture a bunch of dwarves putzing along in a jeep...

Here is a pic of a power wagon


13,443 posted on 07/14/2002 3:57:49 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
I'll have to check them out although I don't do "cute".

You must "do cute" a little or you would not have suggested a Beetle!

13,444 posted on 07/14/2002 4:00:11 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; All
You were missed!

Missed you all. It will probably take a couple of days until I am reasonably caught up around here.

13,445 posted on 07/14/2002 4:03:30 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
You have missed everything, and nothing at all!
13,446 posted on 07/14/2002 4:06:41 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
You must "do cute" a little or you would not have suggested a Beetle!

It was Bear who suggested a Beetle as a hobbit car.

About the jeep....I'd think a dwarf would want something with more than 4 cylinders.

13,447 posted on 07/14/2002 4:40:39 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
HOD - you nailed the jeep alright, really close on the power wagon but not that model, the condition is spot on, the usual way you see them. Thanks.
13,448 posted on 07/14/2002 4:42:59 PM PDT by osagebowman
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To: Overtaxed
It was Bear huh?.... (correcting crib notes)

4 cylinders is plenty for those little jeeps! They don't weigh much more than my bicycle!

13,449 posted on 07/14/2002 4:53:15 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: osagebowman
Yeah - the powerwagon is in the right condition... the jeep I chose for the pic is a bit too pretty... needs to be weathered a bit.
13,450 posted on 07/14/2002 4:55:01 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yup, I was the guilty party re: Beetles.

Evening all... just got home from the movies, and grocery shopping. Eating dinner and settling down for the night.

Road to Perdition was very good!

13,451 posted on 07/14/2002 5:30:24 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Everyone went to bed early! We had a barbeque and then watched a video - The Majestic. It was surprisingly good. Now I'm settling in for bed, but am debating whether to stay up and finish this chapter of the JavaScript book. Or, dig out a novel from a box or my chest... hmm...
13,452 posted on 07/14/2002 8:21:31 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; JenB; HairOfTheDog
Everyone went to bed early!

Yes, they heard the great news that I am back in the Hobbit Hole, and this had a completely soporific effect on all and sundry! I could sell myself as a sleeping pill, I think!

13,453 posted on 07/14/2002 8:34:47 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Hullo, LCS, I'm glad you're back! Sorry they all went to bed, I guess they have more time than I do. These days I can only really be online late at night...
13,454 posted on 07/14/2002 8:39:09 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Aww... LCS you know how sleepy and quiet Sundays are around here... I have been napping off and on all afternoon!
13,455 posted on 07/14/2002 8:41:52 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Glad you're back...but I still nose you... etc.
13,456 posted on 07/14/2002 9:07:11 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog
I have been napping off and on all afternoon!

It begins to seem that we have all been turning into Bilbo Baggins! Hopefully we will not follow him by making unseemly grabs for the Ring, except at posts divisible by '00', of course.

13,457 posted on 07/14/2002 9:10:16 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Posts divisible by "00"? That is quite a feat! Let me know how you do that, I know some mathematicians who would be interested.

;-p

13,458 posted on 07/14/2002 9:15:59 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; JenB
You know Jen, she's a stickler for those details.

I am watching Born on the Fourth of July.

I have never seen it before. I am about an hour and a half into it. I liked it so far but I have a feeling that is about to change. Help me.
13,459 posted on 07/14/2002 9:29:16 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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oh.
13,460 posted on 07/14/2002 10:09:44 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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