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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: DonnerT
Say! How did you get an infrared pic of me? Do I have to put more tinfoil on the windows??

Sleep well! :)

13,161 posted on 07/11/2002 8:13:00 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Oops, sorry... first time the double-post gremlin ever got me!
13,162 posted on 07/11/2002 8:15:08 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; 2Jedismom; Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; All
Good night Hobbitses. Here is something to add to your dreams of a time that exists in our imaginations. Sweet dreams.

FANCIES

Dark and pressing down
Mist and fog creep in
Slowly moving towards me
Enveloping me, embracing me
As I walk through the woods
Making me wish and dream
Of a long ago time
When make-believe
Walked on Earth.

If I stop to listen
Maybe I'll catch
The whisper of a forgotten song
Sung by a forgotten people.
Perhaps I will hear
The deep rumble of a dwarf’s shout,
The merry sound of hobbit laughter,
The tinkling sound of elfish voices.

I hurry to turn the corner,
Peer around a tree.
Maybe I’ll catch a glimpse
Of the little people.
Maybe I’ll look and see
The elves gracefully dancing
In the flickering firelight
Their hair and clothes
Flowing behind them.

The fog lifts from around me.
I see I am no longer
In a far away place.
That all these visions
Were vivid only
In my fantasy.
© REB 2002

13,163 posted on 07/11/2002 8:20:13 PM PDT by htur_75
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To: htur_75
I love it! It reads like what I think a whistle sounds like.
13,164 posted on 07/11/2002 8:23:11 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: htur_75
Pretty ruth... Thanks for sharing! Good night!
13,165 posted on 07/11/2002 8:24:36 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: htur_75
Ohhh, that's nice! Thank you for posting it!

Sleep well, and sweet dreams to you too!

13,166 posted on 07/11/2002 8:24:59 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: htur_75
A pic to go with your poem. :)


13,167 posted on 07/11/2002 8:37:58 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Oooohhhh That's a nice pic. Thanks. That really fits the mood doesn't it. Thanks.
13,168 posted on 07/11/2002 8:42:59 PM PDT by htur_75
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To: htur_75
You're welcome! Have a good night!
13,169 posted on 07/11/2002 8:46:35 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; All
Good night everybody.
13,170 posted on 07/11/2002 8:48:53 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Good night! Time to close up for the night here too, I think...
13,171 posted on 07/11/2002 8:53:50 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Well, you all have left. I only got in 10 minutes ago, had to work quite late. Thanks for all the good wishes, friends, I'll let you know how it pans out, but I need to go to bed right now. See you all later! It's Friday now! Yippee!
13,172 posted on 07/11/2002 9:24:18 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
I am still around! - Hullo! - Good evening!
13,173 posted on 07/11/2002 9:27:32 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh! I'd thought you were in bed, where I should be if I could get through to some sites I need to check. I'm tired but on the whole, happy. I've been calculating and I think I can make England next summer, if I don't spend much money anywhere else...

How are you?

13,174 posted on 07/11/2002 9:29:23 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
What do you want to see in England... What makes you want to go there? (not that there is anything wrong with that! LOL)
13,175 posted on 07/11/2002 9:30:42 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Everything! London and Oxford and Stratford-on- Avon; Stonehenge and the Tower and London Bridge. All the history and stuff they have there, and places where famous people walked. Probably 95% of my ancestors came from England, and, well, I want to visit. I also have some family there, my English grandmother has a sister and brother who are still alive and might put me up. And I have friends who I'd like to meet.

Basically, I've never been much of anywhere. England's a good place to start, since I can talk to the natives pretty easily.

13,176 posted on 07/11/2002 9:34:32 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Well, those are all good reasons to go! - I don't have any of those ties (except the language part!) so it wouldn't have occured to me!

You are much more a child of civilization than I am... If I were to plan an elaborate trip, it would be to see natural wilderness sites... I would love to go to Kenya and see lions and zebras and elephants in the wild, guided by native trackers on photo safari. Go where I can see huge expanses of lands mostly untouched and unchanged by people. "Natural" history (not that humans aren't natural, but you know what I mean)

I am not that interested in human history and human creations. I know that sounds strange... and I am not sure those are the right words...

I did study Stonehenge... and think the idea of it is neat... as well as all the other ancient cultures that built things to study the sky.
13,177 posted on 07/11/2002 9:52:26 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
You remember me, the Luddite ;~D I bet Used to be neat... but a good writer I like thinks it started going downhill in the 40s... Dirty machines and factories there now... hehehehe
13,178 posted on 07/11/2002 9:58:33 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: htur_75
I procrastinate all the time.

I know what you mean. I was going to reply to this post earlier, but I never got around to it.

13,179 posted on 07/11/2002 10:14:48 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh; All
Going to bed now.... Goodnight hobbitses and others!

Tonight a nice Arwen pic for ecurbh...

Reading in bed


13,180 posted on 07/11/2002 10:35:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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