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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
Just water thank you!

Yeah, I sound like some kind of zealot, don't I? I'm really not though... I'm just boring.

I have taken a liking to Vanilla Coke recently, though.

12,761 posted on 07/10/2002 6:52:14 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; All
Hey! Let me tell you what happened to me yesterday! A story, so make sure you have a good cup of coffee!

The boys and I went to buy groceries and when we came home there was a car sitting on the side of the road, parked in our yard. I couldn't see if anyone was inside, but I kinda stared at if for a while (mainly because they were parked in our GRASS!) This guy gets out of the car and flashes a badge at me. I got pretty nervous because as a homeschooling parent, you never know when something might happen, even if you're not doing anything wrong. Anyway, the guy says "I'm scoping out the neighborhood for a potentially stolen car". I said "Ok." and pulled into the garage and quickly put the door down. Then I got the perishables in and went back out and asked to see his badge again. He showed it to me and I found he was a private investigator (not a police officer) working to recover a car that had been rented from an agency and had never been returned.

What do you make of that?
12,762 posted on 07/10/2002 6:53:39 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Do you do carbonated water? I've switched from soft drinks to carbonated water...I like the bubbles!
12,763 posted on 07/10/2002 6:54:10 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Don't all zealots say "I sound like some kind of zealot, but I'm really not?" Have you ever heard anyone say they are a zealot?
12,764 posted on 07/10/2002 6:54:52 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
I think you story sound awfully strange! Why did he park on your grass? Where did he think the stolen car was? - Did he ask you questions about the neighbors? Why is a private investigator flashing a badge at you?
12,765 posted on 07/10/2002 6:58:34 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
What do you make of that?

Tell him he can only park in your grass if he takes some of those sticker things with him...

12,766 posted on 07/10/2002 7:02:17 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
All he asked me was if I'd seen a white Ford Mustang cruising around. He said it was seen in the neighborhood.

I told him I hadn't. He gave me his card.

Apparently, the car was put on the parent's of the kid (college age?) credit card and they were being charged for it daily. I think it might have been the parents trying to find the car, but I don't know. I was nervous and probably should have called the police.

I asked if the police knew he was out there and he said "No, but if they come by, I'll just tell them."
12,767 posted on 07/10/2002 7:03:52 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Overtaxed
I've switched from soft drinks to carbonated water...

We have a cooler with spring water in our office. I drink it with a slice of lime. I'm pretty much down to coffee, juice and water (and the occasional pint or two).

12,768 posted on 07/10/2002 7:03:54 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
Do car rental agencies really hire private investigators to look for stolen cars?
12,769 posted on 07/10/2002 7:04:30 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog
Have you ever heard anyone say they are a zealot?

Oh for cryin' out loud, I haven't posted over there in 3 1/2 weeks...;-)

12,770 posted on 07/10/2002 7:04:43 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
LOL That's why I was scowling at the car at first...he was parked right were we'd worked so hard to clear it of weeds!
12,771 posted on 07/10/2002 7:04:57 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
FTP software, I did that, but I just sit and stare at it!

Windows 98 & 2000 have a built-in FTP you can run from a command prompt, no extra software needed. Not sure if XP has it, but you can try... just open a DOS command window and type "ftp". If something comes up, you've got it.

Very basically, you can do the following:

ftp location < return > (where "location" is the machine name/path provided by your ISP)
bin < return > (this turns on binary file transfer)
put filename < return > (the name of the file on your computer; helps if you start ftp from the folder containing the file you want to transfer)

That should do it. It can get more complicated than that if you have multiple files and subdirectories, but that's the basics.

12,772 posted on 07/10/2002 7:06:27 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
MMMmmmm...biscuits and gravy.... Chuck Green’s "Drinking Man's Biscuits & Gravy"
(enough for 24 servings)

Ingredients:

2 lbs. ground beef
2 packages Jimmy Dean Sausage, Sage 12 oz.
3 small cans (4 oz) of mushrooms (bits & pieces)
1/2 lb of butter
1/4 cup chopped fresh onions
1 small can evaporated milk
Whole milk
Bisquick

Directions:

Gravy
Braise the beef and sausage. Add 2 cubes of butter and mix until melted. Add flour (approx. 1 cup) on very low heat until mixed evenly. Turn off heat - Add evaporated and stir until mixed thoroughly. Bring to boil and simmer Add whole milk to thin. Add salt and pepper to taste.

Biscuits

Use recipe on Bisquick box and mix for 27 biscuits. Add 1 1/2 TBSP of baking powder. Cut biscuits a little on the large side (cutting biscuits large will result in 18 to 20 actual biscuits.) Bake at 400 degrees for 15 minutes, or until browned (Note: this bake time and temperature differ from the Bisquik box. The larger biscuits require a longer bake time in order to bake through entirely. If directions on box are followed, biscuits will be brown on outside and gooey on the inside.)

Now that will stick to a khazad's ribs even better than cram...

12,773 posted on 07/10/2002 7:06:50 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed
Do you do carbonated water?

Nope, just plain ice water.

I have a sensitive stomach.

12,774 posted on 07/10/2002 7:08:03 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: 2Jedismom
Now that's a bigger stunt than I ever tried to pull as a kid.
12,775 posted on 07/10/2002 7:08:23 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Have you ever heard anyone say they are a zealot?

Hmm, if I was really a zealot, you would have caught me. But I'm not, really!

Really, I'm not... honest!

12,776 posted on 07/10/2002 7:09:08 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
I think if you cut out the sugar and starch, you'll lose a lot of weight. 7 lb. is actually pretty significant. I did it a year ago, with great results. Fruit is ok.

An unexpected but welcome result was a noticable lowering of my anxiety level.

How often do you have to drink half your body weight in water? One gallon weighs 8 lbs., doesn't it.

12,777 posted on 07/10/2002 7:09:09 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
ftp location < return > (where "location" is the machine name/path provided by your ISP)
bin < return > (this turns on binary file transfer)
put filename < return > (the name of the file on your computer; helps if you start ftp from the folder containing the file you want to transfer)

Now I am staring at that! I didn't think I was an idjit, but I am afraid I may be.

Honestly, I will try. Later. After some more coffee, meditation and speaking in tongues.

12,778 posted on 07/10/2002 7:13:52 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
Now that will stick to a khazad's ribs

Gee g'nad, why not just get a Crisco IV and cut out the middle man...(but I think I'll still try it)

12,779 posted on 07/10/2002 7:19:33 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
ftp location < return > (where "location" is the machine name/path provided by your ISP)
bin < return > (this turns on binary file transfer)
put filename < return > (the name of the file on your computer; helps if you start ftp from the folder containing the file you want to transfer)

Is there a command for sending ASCII files like an *.html?

12,780 posted on 07/10/2002 7:21:10 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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