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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; All
Good morning (or good afternoon). Things have finally slowed down enough (sort of) for me to finally say hello. I like that cartoon OT. I actually saw a short cartoon of that. Very funny. Could be disturbing to young children though. :-)
12,521 posted on 07/08/2002 9:20:00 AM PDT by htur_75
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To: htur_75
You mean there's a shorter version? :)
12,522 posted on 07/08/2002 9:28:16 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I was looking for a picture of a dead deer appropriate for this topic, and couldn't come up with anything that could compete with Bambi Meets Godzilla...loved that one!

You are precious OT!...

12,523 posted on 07/08/2002 9:40:49 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed
It starts out with Bambi grazing in a meadow. There's nice music playing in the background. All you see is Godzilla's foot come down on top of Bambi. I found it very amusing. Only saw it on the TV once, and it's been years and years. Anyone else see it?
12,524 posted on 07/08/2002 9:44:40 AM PDT by htur_75
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To: g'nad
And to think I was getting (semi-)bashed for being a wildlife hater this weekend!

Did you see my possum post yesterday?http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/646314/posts?page=12439#12439

12,525 posted on 07/08/2002 9:47:23 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: htur_75
Anyone else see it?

Hi! I saw it years ago while I was at college... it was part of a short animation festival.

12,526 posted on 07/08/2002 9:47:54 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: htur_75
I saw it way back in college. I wonder how much the video costs!
12,527 posted on 07/08/2002 9:48:25 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: htur_75
Anyone else see it?

Yeah, I saw it, but a long time ago...

12,528 posted on 07/08/2002 9:48:45 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: htur_75
I remember it...I sprayed the TV with my beer...
12,529 posted on 07/08/2002 9:52:01 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands
Corin, thought a fellow dwarf would like this:

10 REASONS WHY AXES ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN:

10. An old axe is just as good as a new axe.
9. You can have an axe at home and another for the road.
8. If you admire a friend's axe and tell him so, he will be impressed and usually will let you try it.
7. Your primary axe doesn't mind if you have a backup.
6. Your axe will stay with you even if you don’t oil it.
5. An axe doesn't take up a lot of closet space.
4. Axes function normally every day of the month.
3. An axe won't ask, "Does this grip make me look fat?"
2. An axe does not mind if you go to sleep after you're done using it.

AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON AXES ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN:

1. An axe doesn’t make any noise till you hit something with it...

12,530 posted on 07/08/2002 9:57:49 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
uh oh, I hope the 'Hole doesn't turn into another Battle of the Sexes thread...
12,531 posted on 07/08/2002 10:00:00 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
It just might when Hair gets back from Seattle.
12,532 posted on 07/08/2002 10:01:24 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
Yup, there's nothing like the ol' battle axe...
12,533 posted on 07/08/2002 10:02:53 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
No worries there...I'll back down at the first sign of aggression from any of our lovely ladies...Think that'll get me off the hook?...
12,534 posted on 07/08/2002 10:20:05 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Far be it from me to come between a dwarf and his axe.
12,535 posted on 07/08/2002 10:23:32 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; g'nad
(sigh) I found a lot of the arguments going on this weekend to be very depressing.
12,536 posted on 07/08/2002 10:23:44 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Overtaxed
It just might when Hair gets back from Seattle.

[Lurking from Seattle]

I was sympathetic to the men in the battle of the sexes! - I was very much the mediator - the peacemaker! Some of the men and many of the women are just unreasonable!

Ginsu mediator!

12,537 posted on 07/08/2002 10:28:34 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Glad to hear that! I didn't hang out on the "WWF threads" this weekend so I wasn't exactly sure what your role was.
12,538 posted on 07/08/2002 10:31:39 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed
Some of the men and many of the women are just unreasonable!

That's what I found so depressing... both sides were being unreasonable (imho). And not just on those threads, on the "Is FR a failure?" thread too... just a bunch of angry shouting, no dialog or discussion of facts. Bleah.

12,539 posted on 07/08/2002 10:37:14 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I didn't bother with the failure thread at all... when I tried to look in on it, I couldn't even tell what the topic had become... or the other "strike" thread... There is one angry chick on there that was dominating the conversation with really off the wall stuff... I decided I didn't want to be too near the fan in case she hit it.

Bleah is right!

12,540 posted on 07/08/2002 10:51:06 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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