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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Overtaxed

12,441 posted on 07/07/2002 10:20:41 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Hehehe...do they have a recipe for deer dumplings?
12,442 posted on 07/07/2002 10:23:25 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
do they have a recipe for deer dumplings?

Hehe, well, I don't actually have a copy of the book... but according to the Amazon listing, it does have a chapter on "Big Game: From the Elegant Elk to Elsie the Cow" so I would assume it has a few recipes for deer!

12,443 posted on 07/07/2002 11:03:50 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Overtaxed
Good afternoon! I'm back from church. How are things going there?

12,444 posted on 07/07/2002 11:18:55 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Hi! Welcome back... just watching tennis, eating second breakfast, and getting ready to go and see Men in Black 2 here.

Hair is off fighting in the Men who Love to Hate Women Who Hate Men thread...

In other news, a giant reptile attacks Copenhagen!

12,445 posted on 07/07/2002 11:43:11 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
So... FR is about the same as usual?
12,446 posted on 07/07/2002 11:47:14 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Yep, pretty much. I was thinking of starting a happy-feeling thread to counter the Battle of the Sexes thread... but have to get going to the movie.

Maybe I'll have popcorn today!

12,447 posted on 07/07/2002 11:56:20 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; JenB
I am going to take a nap... It is raining and I am exhausted!
12,448 posted on 07/07/2002 1:43:10 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Tired already! What's going on over on that Battle of the Sexes thread?
12,449 posted on 07/07/2002 1:53:04 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Oh - I think it is done, at least I am done.... I vollied all morning over there! - I think the men and women still hate each other, but I tried!
12,450 posted on 07/07/2002 2:43:34 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Haven't they got anything better to do? :)
12,451 posted on 07/07/2002 2:52:19 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Aww - They aren't all bad, some are fun... some are just plain crazy, and some have something unfortunate jammed in their... nevermind ;~D
12,452 posted on 07/07/2002 2:57:08 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I think I'd rather read about the giant reptile in Copenhagen!
12,453 posted on 07/07/2002 3:01:06 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Sure, It beats Pink .
12,454 posted on 07/07/2002 3:04:17 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Must be a slow news day.
12,455 posted on 07/07/2002 3:05:54 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog
I think I'd rather read about the giant reptile in Copenhagen!

I know I did!

Back from the movie, and yes, we did see the Two Towers trailer! I was a little underwhelmed, but I think that was because I knew what was going to be in it from reading stuff online (in other words, I'd been spoiled!) My wife however, who hadn't seen any info on the trailer, was very revved up by it... so it must be pretty good!

Men in Black 2 was pretty good too, and there were lots of other neat previews, and a cartoon before the movie!

12,456 posted on 07/07/2002 3:11:38 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Wow! You have a theater that still shows cartoons?
12,457 posted on 07/07/2002 3:13:23 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
You have a theater that still shows cartoons?

I was very surprised to see it... it was a short little bit of animation called "Chubb Chubbs" (I think.) I think it may have been attached to MiB2, because I'd never seen a cartoon in that theater before... in fact, I haven't seen a cartoon before a movie since I was a kid!

12,458 posted on 07/07/2002 3:19:05 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
So....what are all the other hobbits doing this evening? It's too early for possum hunting!
12,459 posted on 07/07/2002 3:25:07 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Taking a brief pause before going grocery shopping here...

I will admit, after seeing The Trailer, I reaaaalllllly want the DVD to come out...

Is it August yet?
12,460 posted on 07/07/2002 3:29:20 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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