Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
-----------------------------------------
Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
I'm writing a little treatise also and will probably want feedback on it if I ever get it organized...
Am planning to look into the loan situation a little for my son, who's going to law school, so if I find anything worthwhile will pass it on.
If they are not field dressed immediately they can be gamey, also a gut shot deer tastes strong. Additionally, they need to be hung to drain (the same day they're shot), something that can only be done if it's cold out. To make them taste best, quite a bit of care is required.
But give me deer meat any day, I far prefer it over the best sirloin. We had a steak and venison fondue recently, even my wife and daughter agreed the venison was better than the steak.
OK, you can have my share then. :)
Where I grew up, the first day of deer hunting season was a school holiday. I got to taste venison killed by almost every male relative I had over the age of 14, prepared in almost every way imaginable. It didn't matter; I just never liked the taste. My Dad and Mom did like it; my Dad especially liked venison jerky. Not me though; go figure.
If I manage to move back to the country, I've got half an idea to put gun ports in the side of my house, so if I see one within range, I won't spook it by opening the window or whatever.
Did you say you grew up around the north midwest?
Hope you didn't have to swim home, Bear and that there isn't a flood situation by you.
That's what convinced my Dad to quit hunting! Although my Dad was one of the few men in my family who didn't hunt or fish. My Grandpa shot his last deer when he was in his late 70's (shot it in his garden).
Did you say you grew up around the north midwest?
Yes, in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. If I could find a good map I'd post it, but I can't find one I like! Basically, it's the part of Michigan that hangs off of Wisconsin and makes up a large part of the southern coast of Lake Superior.
Nope, no swimming here. Only got 2"-5" here in Austin, enough to flood some low-water crossings and close some roads, but nothing too serious. The really heavy stuff was west and southwest of here, near Johnson City, and of course San Marcos and San Antonio. Some areas down there have received 15" of rain today alone!
(2Jedismom) I saw San Antonio on national news tonight. Dreadful situation!
Yes, and it's not over yet... rain is expected to fire up again tonight and continue all day tomorrow. May blow out by Thursday, but that's not assured. Tomorrow may be worse than today.
Yes, pretty much. Waves of moisture spinning in from the Gulf, dropping their rain, and then dying out by the time they get much north or west of central Texas. There was an interesting live thread about it on the News side; I had posted a link to it earlier. Here it is again.
Rose tells me that yes, it was the Frio that did that. It was before I moved to Texas, though, so more than 13 years ago.
Yes, home is on high ground, so no threat of being washed away in the night. Also, no low water crossings between here and work, so other than dealing with slow and backed up traffic, we shouldn't have any problems.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.