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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Overtaxed
Well, if that doesn't bring down the wrath of the elves on you, I don't know what will... ;)
1,101 posted on 03/26/2002 2:23:01 PM PST by Penny1
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Regarding Magneto, from what I've seen, homosexuals (except for their deviation) can be very fine people and have great integrity, just like anyone. There are some real personality problems associated with it, however.

Beyond that, though, I see gay marriages as possibly threatening the family as we know it, which is the foundation of our free society.

1,102 posted on 03/26/2002 2:27:40 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Overtaxed
Somewhere in the letters Tolkien responds to criticism that all the hobbits came home unscathed from their adventures as if they were boys returning home from camp (or words to that effect).

Do you happen to know where in the letters this appears?

1,103 posted on 03/26/2002 2:59:08 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
No, but I can find out. I'll get back to you!
1,104 posted on 03/26/2002 3:01:33 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed;jenB;Penny1;All
Back home from hard work day! - Time now to hang out a little except for briefly going out to tend the ponies! Anyone around now? - Any news? - I haven't been able to check!
1,105 posted on 03/26/2002 4:28:15 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
I don't have Javachat at work.

I don't have Javachat, I have Cheetachat, which probably works the same way, more or less. But I don't know how to access the chatroom using Cheetachat. The result was that I have been limited to the default Yahoo Chat -- Arggh! Please someone freepmail me telling me how to access the chatroom through one of the other chat facilities. I guess what I need is the IP address, right?

1,106 posted on 03/26/2002 4:35:12 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Whatsamatta with the room the way it is? - we decorated it as best we could - do you not find the furniture to be comfortable?

Seriously - Whats with this other software to run chat - what is missing?

1,107 posted on 03/26/2002 4:47:46 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
If its some program that isn't already on my work computer, I can't use it. (and it's running Windows 95 with IE 5)
1,108 posted on 03/26/2002 4:50:56 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Anyone around now?

Evidently Jen isn't around or she would have brought the wrath of the Noldor down on me by now!

1,109 posted on 03/26/2002 4:52:28 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Yes - I witnessed your continued insolence. I don't know what sort of punishment to recommend at this point. I believe we will need to have a council on it!
1,110 posted on 03/26/2002 4:58:07 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Facts speak for themselves. :)
1,111 posted on 03/26/2002 4:59:32 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
There are various chat software programs to run the Yahoo (and other) chatrooms without using the default Yahoo chat software. I am not a guru, but for starters it is full screen, allows cutting and pasting, and displays about 16 lines of text or more at a time (I only get 4 with Yahoo chat).
1,112 posted on 03/26/2002 5:04:10 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog;overtaxed
I believe we will need to have a council on it!

A small council will do, Aragorn, Gandalf, Gimli (as of The Return of the King), and a few hobbits should come to an appropriate decision, don't you think? (Oops, Gimli has gone out to sharpen his axe!!)

1,113 posted on 03/26/2002 5:08:51 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I can size the yahoo chat to be any size I want - can't you? - what do you mean by cutting and pasting? - links work... I was impressed with that. an improvement from when I was last in chat rooms.
1,114 posted on 03/26/2002 5:10:20 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Well something definately needs to be done. We have only one choice!
1,115 posted on 03/26/2002 5:11:31 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I can size the yahoo chat to be any size I want - can't you?

I don't think so, but I will try it the next time I go there! But cutting and pasting I mean selecting some of the chat text and copying it, then pasting it as part of a reply. I tried to do that without success.

1,116 posted on 03/26/2002 5:16:07 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
Are you there? We're in the chat room now, so if you're done with the ponies, drop by! Help, OT's accusing the Elves of all manner of evil!
1,117 posted on 03/26/2002 5:17:34 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Am not! I haven't said anything about cheese in reference to Elves.
1,118 posted on 03/26/2002 5:18:40 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog;Overtaxed
We have only one choice!

Agreed, and since it can't be done by the elves (too self-serving), it is not really a hobbit thing, and is below the dignity of a King, I guess it is all up to Gimli!!

1,119 posted on 03/26/2002 5:19:18 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Sam Cree
Somewhere in the letters Tolkien responds to criticism that all the hobbits came home unscathed from their adventures as if they were boys returning home from camp (or words to that effect).

I haven't found the letter you're talking about yet. I checked the few index references to Merry and Pippin and found that C.S. Lewis didn't like hobbits and Merry and Pippin least of all!

The nerve of some people! :)

I feel like going off on a Lewis (allegory-boy) bash this morning! Otherwise, I'm checking the Frodo and Sam references today.

1,120 posted on 03/27/2002 2:25:55 AM PST by Overtaxed
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