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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Rocko
Thanks for the ping... I went and made a couple of comments, but I don't think they were well received. Oh well, I guess that's what I get for enjoying literary trash. < /sarcasm >
10,861 posted on 06/25/2002 8:14:48 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: JenB
No longer funny. Never was!
10,862 posted on 06/25/2002 8:15:23 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: JenB
(shrug) I thought it was funny. But as the saying goes, brevity is the soul of wit...
10,863 posted on 06/25/2002 8:23:05 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: DonnerT
Aragorn is dirty and wet. He has a wound to his left shoulder - like a sword wound. His has blood on his hands and he is very wet.

If there really is a scene like this in the movie I will be even more miffed at PJ's departures from the book. I hope Hutt River Girl is wrong!

Am I missing something? - What is so very wrong with that scene? - There are big epic battle scenes in the book... we have seen that it will be raining at Helms Deep... Aragorn got scratched in a fight... I don't see this as a huge departure... ????? What is troubling you so about this?

10,864 posted on 06/25/2002 8:26:14 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Maybe it's a flashback?
10,865 posted on 06/25/2002 8:29:37 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Ooops.... http://www.freerepublic.com/fo cus/chat/705979/posts?page=57# 57 - am I going to regret this?
10,866 posted on 06/25/2002 8:32:34 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Maybe... Whose flashback? That is the question...

OK so we were both harsh on the other thread... But the bias was deafening, we had to shout, right?

10,867 posted on 06/25/2002 8:33:15 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
Don't worry... I've got your back
10,868 posted on 06/25/2002 8:34:04 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
I thought it was a good post.

Remind me never to get you mad at me.

10,869 posted on 06/25/2002 8:36:51 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Just don't start acting like a dane and we'll be fine!

I must still be stressed. But he deserved it, discriminating against SF like that!

10,870 posted on 06/25/2002 8:38:55 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Just don't start acting like a dane and we'll be fine!

Hmm... English, Scotch, German, Swedish, Norwegian... nope, no Danish.

But he deserved it, discriminating against SF like that!

I agree.

That'll teach me to stray from the ol' Hole.

10,871 posted on 06/25/2002 8:48:22 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
You do know I was using slang for "mundane", as in non-SF fan, right?
10,872 posted on 06/25/2002 8:49:17 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
You do know I was using slang for "mundane", as in non-SF fan, right?

Oh! Oh, yeah, sure, mundane! Yeah, yeah, I knew that, of course!

(cough, cough)

10,873 posted on 06/25/2002 8:55:30 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
I guess its just my memory hole problem. I get lost sometimes between my imagination and someone elses.
10,874 posted on 06/25/2002 8:56:05 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Whooo-oo! The dane went off. Ha, he should know we fen are more powerful than he could possibly imagine. We have the great ones on our side, and all he has is Joyce and Hemingway.
10,875 posted on 06/25/2002 9:02:57 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
all he has is Joyce and Hemingway.

Honestly... he should have titled his thread "Best Novel Ever Written for Literary Snobs".

10,876 posted on 06/25/2002 9:08:22 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Or "best novel for anyone but those weirdo geeks who manage to run society and invent new stuff and bring me this cool internet thingie I'm using to be all superior about". Sheesh, taste is taste, but SF is good stuff!
10,877 posted on 06/25/2002 9:16:01 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB; HairOfTheDog
Well, this has nothing to do with Hobbits, Rings, or great literature... but I'm going to bed, and here's a pretty sunset to look at:


10,878 posted on 06/25/2002 9:35:41 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Goodnight!
10,879 posted on 06/25/2002 9:40:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; All
Good night all...after an exhausting day, I'm turning in.
10,880 posted on 06/25/2002 10:01:33 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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