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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: JenB
How did they know which ones weren't me?

Someone probably noticed that the normal quality of the posts of those two had declin..........er, was different.

Life is like a box of Borogroves

10,721 posted on 06/25/2002 10:07:04 AM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
Wasn't Smeagol. No, he's been over at the Middle East threads...
10,722 posted on 06/25/2002 10:07:29 AM PDT by carton253
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; carton253
Did you see the horrible things Carton and Overtaxed said at 10671-675?

Really, it's embarrassing...

10,723 posted on 06/25/2002 10:07:32 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Very horrifying to think that sort of thing would go on in here. What if 2J's little guys saw that?
10,724 posted on 06/25/2002 10:08:35 AM PDT by JenB
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To: ksen
So...uh...hi there...umm, ksen yeah that's it...

Umm... Boromir...er! No! Borogon... no...ahhhh screw it...

10,725 posted on 06/25/2002 10:09:14 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: ksen
Burma-grove Shave
10,726 posted on 06/25/2002 10:10:26 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
What if 2J's little guys saw that?

That's right, it's for the children.

Ah, the pitter patter of tiny Borogrove feets.

10,727 posted on 06/25/2002 10:11:50 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm still having some trouble with FR. Hmmm...

I'm going to the doc in a couple of hours. Then I think I'll take the boys to the movie.

Hey, who is that falling down the stairs in the trailer? Gríma Wormtongue?
10,728 posted on 06/25/2002 10:12:15 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Corin Stormhands
Liberal!

may your borogroves be smited. smiten. Whatever.

10,729 posted on 06/25/2002 10:13:40 AM PDT by JenB
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To: 2Jedismom
I bet it is Grima!
10,730 posted on 06/25/2002 10:16:06 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Looks like they are throwing him out.

Oh, I just can't WAIT!

10,731 posted on 06/25/2002 10:22:39 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB; 2Jedismom; Penny1
Did you see Legolas shield-boarding down the stairs? hehehehe

Penny - Can you get us any screen caps from this thang?

10,732 posted on 06/25/2002 10:23:50 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Shieldboarding? Oh dear... let's see it again....
10,733 posted on 06/25/2002 10:26:20 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
It's really fast... Bump it up to full screen, it is viewable still.... just a little bitmappy
10,734 posted on 06/25/2002 10:27:33 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I didn't notice it until right now! Thanks for pointing it out! Oh, we have more fodder!!!

What's up with Theóden looking so scroungy? What is he looking at in that part? It's right after the aggressive Frodo scene and before the Aragorn/Arwen smooch. What do you think the story is there?
10,735 posted on 06/25/2002 10:28:08 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Corin Stormhands
You're missing a good deal of silliness...

The samples have thawed!

10,736 posted on 06/25/2002 10:34:03 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Did you see the horrible things Carton and Overtaxed said at 10671-675

Was that the stuff about you and EW? So that's what happened to those posts!

10,737 posted on 06/25/2002 10:35:46 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Wait... the two towers refer to Orthanc and Minas Morgul, not Barad-Dur, you know... but it is a lovely trailer, much nicer looking than the bootleg. Not enough handsome Numenorean men shots!
10,738 posted on 06/25/2002 10:37:59 AM PDT by JenB
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To: 2Jedismom
I don't notice scroungy when I pause it there. His hair is perhaps a bit mussed... His emotion is distrust.... I think he is having an epiphany....
10,739 posted on 06/25/2002 10:43:32 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
Not enough handsome Numenorean men shots!

We aim to please.

Whoa! Check out those flexing Borogroves!

10,740 posted on 06/25/2002 10:52:53 AM PDT by ksen
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