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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: g'nad; JenB
Calm down brother dwarf. The little elf fought bravely for that one...and may even be late for work!
10,021 posted on 06/19/2002 12:35:46 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: All
Okay, folks. Show's over....get back to work.
10,022 posted on 06/19/2002 12:36:01 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: ecurbh
Nicely done graphic ecurbh!
10,023 posted on 06/19/2002 12:36:27 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ecurbh; All
So, is anybody going to post an item in Breaking News! (Shakes head sadly, thinking to himself, 'would Gandalf approve of this sort of thing?)
10,024 posted on 06/19/2002 12:36:47 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Countyline; JenB; ksen; g'nad; Bear_in_RoseBear; Overtaxed; DonnerT; ecurbh; carton253
what was the point? Was it really a lot of fun?

If you have to ask you'll never understand...right folks?

10,025 posted on 06/19/2002 12:37:54 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Countyline
what was the point? Was it really a lot of fun?

Yes. Yes, it was. Thank you for asking.

10,026 posted on 06/19/2002 12:38:23 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Countyline
wonderful example of how mob mentality works!!!!!!!!!!

I suppose so.

and ... what was the point?

Did we need one?

Was it really a lot of fun?

YES! ;^)

10,027 posted on 06/19/2002 12:38:41 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Race to the thread-breaker! 65,536 or Bust!
10,028 posted on 06/19/2002 12:40:26 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands; JenB
UGH...me get elf good one day....
10,029 posted on 06/19/2002 12:41:58 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
is anybody going to post an item in Breaking News!

*blush*

Do we have to?

10,030 posted on 06/19/2002 12:42:13 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: ecurbh
OOO! ecurbh, #10007 pretty!!
10,031 posted on 06/19/2002 12:43:54 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Overtaxed
55508...
10,032 posted on 06/19/2002 12:45:07 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
'Do we have to?'

Maybe we can edit in some erudite posts from the Green Dragon Inn, and pretend that was the dignified way we reached 10,000!
10,033 posted on 06/19/2002 12:46:47 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Now, have you really ever seen anyone go for the precious in a dignified manner?
10,034 posted on 06/19/2002 12:47:52 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen
Let me do a flitty Gondorian Polka for you!

I know that pic has absolutely nothing to do with LOTR, but I'd vote for it to head up the new thread.

Whenever the new thread is started...

10,035 posted on 06/19/2002 12:48:19 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
'Now, have you really ever seen anyone go for the precious in a dignified manner?'

Back around post 100 in the original Hobbit Hole, if I am not mistaken!
10,036 posted on 06/19/2002 12:57:02 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Overtaxed
Do you think it would put people off?

Well, isn't that the (ahem) point?

10,037 posted on 06/19/2002 12:58:22 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Hehehe....yes...especially when you greet people with "Whaddya want?" and scowl alot.
10,038 posted on 06/19/2002 12:59:59 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Actually, I'm getting pretty good just with the scowling part. :)
10,039 posted on 06/19/2002 1:00:54 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Back around post 100 in the original Hobbit Hole

First and last time?

10,040 posted on 06/19/2002 1:03:07 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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