Kazakhstan President Calls On Putin to End The War

AI (from general news) ^ | myself

[adorno]

Kazakhstan's president might be inviting Putin to shove him off an open window

[ansel12]

Post 75 explains it, our country supports the European people that Russia and North Korea are invading, while Red China trains the Russian troops and Iran supplies them. Trump is currently fighting Iran while sending American troops to Ukraine to be trained by them, while also bringing in Ukrainian factories and know how to America to help us fight the Russian bad guys, in fact we just received our first shipment of Ukraine weapons from Ukraine as they also help us and our allies and friends in the Middle East.

Some people here support the Russia/North Korea/Red China/Iran side of the Ukraine war and oppose our side.

[adorno]

International monitors on Monday described Ukraine's presidential election as free and fair, putting pressure on Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko to concede defeat despite a tight vote count and charges of irregularities.

Once an elections is declared 'fair', nobody is going to challenge the claim. Same with the U.S. 2020 election, where nobody dared to declare the outcome as a stolen election. Nothing to gain after the 'results' are in. And the international monitors were there just to confirm the outcome that they were given. They were NEVER there to challenge the results; it wasn't in their job description. Duh!

Joao Soares, president of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, said the election was an "impressive display of democracy" and called on politicians to honor the outcome.

They also would've declared the 2020 U.S. election as an 'impressive display of democracy', and would've called Biden and democrats to honor the outcome. Same with all elections that occur in Russia. No international election monitors would dare to challenge elections that they're called to 'monitor'. The stamp of approval was set in stone before they arrived.

I noticed you ducked my question

Read my comments above and below:

So to be clear, if a mob of Democrats in pussy hats descend on Washington D.C., take over and squat in government buildings, and kill police officers, and 60 Senators vote to impeach Trump, you think he should be removed from office because 'it is the will of the people'? Our elections and laws be damned?

You are the one dismissing my responses. I already said that I don't deal in hypotheticals, especially dumb and made-up ones.

Do you seek a free Republic, or mobocracy?

America has a free republic now, after correcting the fraud of the 2020 election.

And thankfully, Ukraine also has a free and independent country, after correcting the sham elections processes of 2004 and 2010. You may not like it, but, it's what the people of Ukraine wanted, not what Russia and YOU wanted.

It helps to understand how the stage was set for the phony election result of 2010, which was declared 'fair' by the investigators/monitors.

But fair is not correct when the conditions for fraud and Russian involvement for a predetermined outcome are considered (the stage was set starting in 2004):

Did Russia intervene in the 2010 election in Ukraine?

SEE IF YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG:

Russia did not intervene in the 2010 Ukrainian presidential election with the same overt, heavy-handed tactics it deployed during the fraudulent 2004 election.

Instead, the Kremlin took a more hands-off approach publicly, relying on economic pressure beforehand and the organic political collapse of the pro-Western "Orange Revolution" coalition to achieve its goals.

International observers, including the OSCE, largely declared the 2010 election to be fair, transparent, and democratic.

1. Shift from the 2004 Strategy

In 2004, Russia aggressively interfered by sending political strategists, funding candidate Viktor Yanukovych, and having Vladimir Putin openly campaign for him.

PUTIN OPENLY CAMPAIGNING FOR HIS CANDIDATE inside Ukraine. Is that interference or not?

In contrast, Russia's 2010 strategy shifted to a more passive role because Moscow felt comfortable with both major frontrunners, Viktor Yanukovych and Yulia Tymoshenko.

While Yanukovych was traditionally pro-Russian, Tymoshenko had also negotiated pragmatic, multi-billion dollar gas deals directly with Putin in 2009.

OBVIOUSLY, the candidates had been corrupted with special deals by Putin before the election. They had been BOUGHT!

2. Pre-Election Economic Pressure

Rather than direct covert or overt political interference during the campaign, Russia leveraged economic leverage to influence voter sentiment. IOW, the voters had been BOUGHT.

Energy Sanctions: The Kremlin weaponized Ukraine's dependence on natural gas by imposing steep price hikes and cutting off supplies during the winters of 2006 and 2009.

Nice guys, those Russians!

Economic Fallout: These actions severely crippled the Ukrainian economy under the incumbent pro-Western President Viktor Yushchenko.

Voter Backlash: The resulting economic hardship successfully alienated the Ukrainian public, priming them to vote against the fracturing "Orange" government.

3. Diplomatic Posturing

While Moscow avoided covert election meddling, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev engaged in public diplomatic interference.

In August 2009, Medvedev released an open video letter fiercely criticizing President Yushchenko for pursuing anti-Russian policies, such as seeking NATO membership.

This public condemnation was widely viewed by international analysts and Yushchenko himself as direct interference designed to torpedo Yushchenko's reelection chances.

4. Election Outcome

The strategies effectively yielded Moscow's desired result without a public scandal. The pro-Western incumbent Yushchenko was eliminated in the first round after receiving only around 5% of the vote.

Viktor Yanukovych won the subsequent runoff against Tymoshenko. Shortly after taking office, Yanukovych rapidly realigned Ukraine toward Moscow's sphere of influence, famously signing the April 2010 Kharkiv Pact to extend Russia's military lease on the Sevastopol naval base in Crimea.

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No doubt if that kind of interference had occurred in the U.S. or any other western country, the pro-Russia election results would have been declared unfair and illegal and null and void. But the damage had been done, with Ukrainians correcting the interference and mistakes after 2014.

But, not too many people, including YOU know of the circumstances which made Russia seem like a victim and Ukraine as the instigator of negative publicity for Putin and Russia.

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How forgetful you are!

I don't remember things that NEVER HAPPENED, but I do remember almost everything that did happen in my life.

I remember of the phone numbers I ever had in my homes and on my many jobs and all of my friends and family phones; no need for a rolodex or smartphone to record them for me. I also remember all of my addresses, from childhood to now, and there have been plenty. I also remember of of my co-workers and their names, and that goes back a lot of years. I also remember what I posted (not every word, though).

All-in-all, I'm pretty sure that my memory and mind is superior to yours.

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Sorry gramps, but my job isn’t to teach you anything

If I needed to be taught anything, I would consult with a mind that is clearly superior to yours; my dog has you beat by a long mile.

[adorno]

shove it along commie. you are not wanted here.

That's dumb. Try to contribute something of value and intelligence. Insults can be lobbied by first-graders too. And insults don't win arguments.

[adorno]

lobbied by first-graders

s/b "lobbed by first-graders'

[Gunslingr3]

SEE IF YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG:

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International observers, including the OSCE, largely declared the 2010 election to be fair, transparent, and democratic.

So you don’t even read the AI slop you cut and paste? Figures…

[adorno]

Did a violent mob kill police and storm and take over government buildings to overthrow the elected president in Ukraine?

NOpe!

Yes. They did.

Answering your own question with the wrong answer, still won't yield the correct answer.

What is the word for that?

Coup?

The American revolution can rightfully also be called a 'coup'. Depends on your beliefs and preferences and bias.

Was the 2020 U.S. election a 'coup'?

a sudden illegal, often violent, taking of government power

Sounds like the American revolution. You have something against that?

How many votes did the Ukrainian constitution require to remove an elected president?

Any person elected through a sham election which was interfered with by Russians, doesn't require votes; rebellions are justified in that case. The Iranian people don't need dictionary definitions in order to justify their rebellion against the Ayatollahs and IRGC tyrants.

How many votes did the resolution to remove the Ukrainian president from office in 2014 receive?

A puppet of Putin did not deserve to be recognized as a duly elected president of Ukraine; removing him, by force or thru votes was 100% justified.

That's why I asked you if a murderous mob wouldn't be committing a coup if they violently chased off our duly elected President from his a residence, and only 60 Senators voted for his removal from office.

Except that, 'duly elected' is NOT applicable in the Ukrainian situation. Duh!

But you're afraid to answer that, because you don't really want mobocracy here, even if you've been tricked into cheering for it somewhere else.

Mobocracy? Dumb word. But, the people of a country have the right to determine their own future, and if the current government was created thru FRAUD, then the people have a right to remove that fraudulent government thru whatever means is necessary. Putin was NOT really elected and if the Russian people wanted to remove him by force, then they would have the right to do so.

You cut and paste some AI slop

AI is the new SEARCH and it's a lot more accurate and comprehensive than the old search, and it searches through a massive number of sites to find the results needed, and then it presents the results in a very-well formatted textual style.

Your problem is not with AI's results; your problem is that AI returned the results you don't want to hear or read. Duh!

(why don't you feed it the hypothetical you're afraid to answer - don't like the result?)

Even AI would tell you that it doesn't deal in hypotheticals. Duh!

You didn't address the fact that contemporary international election observers called it a fair and free election.

I've already answered your challenges, and you don't like my responses. Review them again. The truth shall set you free of the garbage you've consumed.

If you're dumb enough to confuse the death of over 40 ethnic Russians with ethnic Ukrainians because they weren't Russian citizens, I'm not sure you can actually hold up your end of this conversation anyway.

It is YOU that swallowed the Russian lies and propaganda. Not me.

AI returned factual information which you don't like to admit debunk your nonsense.

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It is far more than a lack of intelligence - it is a lack of integrity.

Right on!

[ansel12]

MalPearce is going to be puzzled why you posted that to him.

[adorno]

Even backwards, Muslim, war-torn Bosnia managed a (slightly) higher per-capita GDP in the 2010s than pre-war Ukraine did.

Bosnia, basically no bigger than a mid-size American city, compared to Ukraine, and country with about 40 million people?

But, can you imagine a small poor country with virtually no military to speak of, going up against the 2nd most powerful military in the world, and actually WINNING the war now? Unimaginable! The stuff of big-time movies. Bigger than David vs Goliath. Fathom that!

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Remember those who led the "intelligence" attempt to impeach President Trump over a twisted account of a half an overheard phone call with Zelensky?

That event, in a nutshell, is the reason why so many republicans oppose aid to Ukraine and even root for victory by Russia.

I too was angered by the attempt to impeach Trump over a phone call, but, I was too smart to dwell on a single event that had no relevance to what Russia was attempting to do in Ukraine.

Those that attempted to impeach should be brought to trial, but, I can look beyond that to the bigger picture and the much more important situation with Russia vs Ukraine.

There were corrupt people in Ukraine, but, giving up on Ukraine because of the corruption is equivalent to giving up on NYC because of Mamdani or AOC.

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International observers, including the OSCE, largely declared the 2010 election to be fair, transparent, and democratic.

So you don’t even read the AI slop you cut and paste? Figures…

You didn't read 'the rest of the story'.

Read my whole damn post. Don't ignore any of it.

You're like a person who starts watching a movie and leaves in the middle of it, and then makes conclusions from just the first half of the movie. Don't be so ignorant by choice.

[Gunslingr3]

You didn't read 'the rest of the story'.

I read all of your AI slop. None of disputes the most pertinent part that you posted from it:

International observers, including the OSCE, largely declared the 2010 election to be fair, transparent, and democratic.

Your regurgitation of post-hoc, neocon talking points doesn't dispute the fact the election was contemporaneously considered "fair, transparent, and democratic."

I also noticed you didn't touch on the fact that the Rada did not have enough votes to remove the President under the Ukrainian constitution.

But I can't ask you how you'd consider the same situation were it to happen here, because you've made it clear that critical thinking isn't your forte.

If I posed a hypothetical situation to one of my staff and they responded they 'don't do hypotheticals' I'd fire that idiot on the spot.

[adorno]

Did a violent mob kill police and storm and take over government buildings to overthrow the elected president in Ukraine?

NOpe!

Yes. They did.

Answering your own question with the wrong answer, still won't yield the correct answer.

What is the word for that?

Coup?

The American revolution can rightfully also be called a 'coup'. Depends on your beliefs and preferences and bias.

Was the 2020 U.S. election a 'coup'?

a sudden illegal, often violent, taking of government power

Sounds like the American revolution. You have something against that?

How many votes did the Ukrainian constitution require to remove an elected president?

Any person elected through a sham election which was interfered with by Russians, doesn't require votes; rebellions are justified in that case. The Iranian people don't need dictionary definitions in order to justify their rebellion against the Ayatollahs and IRGC tyrants.

How many votes did the resolution to remove the Ukrainian president from office in 2014 receive?

A puppet of Putin did not deserve to be recognized as a duly elected president of Ukraine; removing him, by force or thru votes was 100% justified.

That's why I asked you if a murderous mob wouldn't be committing a coup if they violently chased off our duly elected President from his a residence, and only 60 Senators voted for his removal from office.

Except that, 'duly elected' is NOT applicable in the Ukrainian situation. Duh!

But you're afraid to answer that, because you don't really want mobocracy here, even if you've been tricked into cheering for it somewhere else.

Mobocracy? Dumb word. But, the people of a country have the right to determine their own future, and if the current government was created thru FRAUD, then the people have a right to remove that fraudulent government thru whatever means is necessary. Putin was NOT really elected and if the Russian people wanted to remove him by force, then they would have the right to do so.

You cut and paste some AI slop

AI is the new SEARCH and it's a lot more accurate and comprehensive and smarter than the old search, and it searches through a massive number of sites to find the results needed, and then it presents the results in a very-well formatted textual style.

Your problem is not with AI's results; your problem is that AI returned the results you don't want to hear or read. Duh!

(why don't you feed it the hypothetical you're afraid to answer - don't like the result?)

Even AI would tell you that it doesn't deal in hypotheticals. Duh!

You didn't address the fact that contemporary international election observers called it a fair and free election.

I've already answered your challenges, and you don't like my responses. Review them again. The truth shall set you free of the garbage you've consumed.

If you're dumb enough to confuse the death of over 40 ethnic Russians with ethnic Ukrainians because they weren't Russian citizens, I'm not sure you can actually hold up your end of this conversation anyway.

It is YOU that swallowed the Russian lies and propaganda. Not me.

AI returned results with factual information which you don't like to admit debunk your nonsense.

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I didn’t notice that. Thanks for pointing it out.

MalPearce probably won’t notice or will ignore it.

[adorno]

I read all of your AI slop.

Wanting to be in denial of the truth is the reason you are so ignorant.

None of disputes the most pertinent part that you posted from it:

The AI input and my comments, debunk what YOU think is pertinent.

International observers, including the OSCE, largely declared the 2010 election to be fair, transparent, and democratic.

International observes, basically people contracted to approve the results, regardless of what transpired during the election. And not capable of seeing how the election results were as a result of Russian/Putin intervention.

Notice the weasel word, "largely"; no explanation about what what means. Heck, I 'largely' approve of what Putin does inside his country, though I have no idea what it is that he does.

Read all of my posts and don't be dismissive of the content because some of it came from other sources. Everything on the internet is 'other sources' and they are all scoured for the answers being sought. You need to learn how to use AI, because, you might actually learn something and won't be duped solely by what others say, like Putin.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> If I needed to be taught anything, I would consult with a mind that is clearly superior to yours; my dog has you beat by a long mile.

That poor dog, trapped and totally dependent on a zeeper! Wow.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Truth!

Nutsoville street in Zeeperville heights!

[aMorePerfectUnion]

So these are the innermost thoughts of a zeeper…🧐