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To: Retgearjammer

Not really.

the surprising thing about Islam is that it started only in the 700s.

in the 500s and 600s you have a heretical sect half-way between Rabbinical Judaism and Christianity who consider Jesus a prophet whom they called the praiseworthy one - the Muhammad. This is the core of what later became Islam - in the earliest parts of the Quran.

then, in the years around 600 to 640 the Roman and Persian empires entered into a decade long war with each other that was utterly devastating - think WwI+II combined but for decades. They were utterly exhausted.

they both used Arab tributaries to fight, but couldn’t pay them. So the Arabs took over.

The Arabs were in amazement that this just fell into their laps so basically thought ‘we must be great, let’s take this half-baked heresy of ours and make it a religion’

That only got realy going after the first Arab rulers - the Ummayyyads were chucked out by the Abbassids who fused together Zoroastrianism with the Gnostic-Christian-Jewish mix and together this mix created Islam in the 750s AD


19 posted on 07/07/2026 10:57:21 AM PDT by Cronos (Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.)
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To: Cronos

Don’t forget the Plague of Justinian & the Volcanic Winter of 536 AD both events set the stage for societal collapse particularly in the East.


22 posted on 07/07/2026 11:06:28 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Cronos

“then, in the years around 600 to 640 the Roman and Persian empires entered into a decade long war with each other that was utterly devastating - think WwI+II combined but for decades. They were utterly exhausted.”

I’ve seen speculation that plague and drought had weakened the Empire along the north African coast and made it vulnerable to conquest.

But then watching how the current Western world is handing itself over to 3rd world savages maybe it didn’t take anything special to make it collapse.


32 posted on 07/07/2026 3:10:23 PM PDT by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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