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To: Red Badger

The P-38 is my WW-2 favorite. I never quite understood why it was so successful in the Pacific but not in Europe.


10 posted on 07/05/2026 8:19:06 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

It couldn’t match the Messerschmitts........


12 posted on 07/05/2026 8:21:13 PM PDT by Red Badger (Iryna Zarutska, May 22, 2002 Kyiv, Ukraine – August 22, 2025 Charlotte, North Carolina Say her name)
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To: fso301

BRAVE AI:

The Lockheed P-38 Lightning struggled to match Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Focke-Wulf Fw 190 fighters in the European Theater of Operations (ETO) due to significant technical limitations, particularly at high altitudes.

Key factors limiting P-38 performance in Europe:

Engine Issues: The Allison V-1710 engines suffered from compressibility problems during dives and poor performance at the high altitudes (above 20,000 feet) typical of European air combat. Turbochargers often failed or froze in the extreme cold.

Mechanical Reliability: Early P-38s experienced frequent engine failures, including blown intercoolers, fouled plugs, and oil system issues in cold weather, leading to high abort rates.

Combat Effectiveness: While the P-38 was highly effective in the Pacific Theater against Japanese fighters, its maneuverability and roll rate were considered inferior to German single-engine fighters in the ETO. German pilots reportedly considered the P-38 the “easiest Allied plane to shoot down” in Europe.

Conversely, the P-38 was often considered superior to the Messerschmitt Bf 110 heavy fighter, outperforming it in power, ceiling, and maneuverability. Its success in the Pacific was attributed to its superior range, twin-engine safety over water, and adequate performance against less agile Japanese aircraft.


14 posted on 07/05/2026 8:23:34 PM PDT by Red Badger (Iryna Zarutska, May 22, 2002 Kyiv, Ukraine – August 22, 2025 Charlotte, North Carolina Say her name)
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To: fso301
The P-38 is my WW-2 favorite. I never quite understood why it was so successful in the Pacific but not in Europe.

Among other things the Brits didn't like it because the version they received early in the war (prior to Pearl Harbor) didn't have the turbo chargers installed because the Army Air Corps considered the technology secret and not allowable for export. Also the 8th Air Force was controlled by the "Bomber Mafia" at the time P-38s were available and they didn't want fighter escorts for the bombers. They actively quashed the whole idea of escorting bombers on missions to Germany. In the Pacific, the P-38s range was greatly appreciated so most P-38 production went to the Pacific.

As a side note, the F-5 unarmed photo-recon variant was highly successful in all theaters of the war.

17 posted on 07/06/2026 1:05:07 AM PDT by nuke_road_warrior (Making the world safe for nuclear power for over 39 years.)
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To: fso301

The German planes could climb to the high altitudes at which it operated and the P-38 was not maneuverable enough to dog fight. In the Pacific where the Japanese aircraft could not operate at that high altitude, the P-38 was successful diving on its opponents at high speed, using that speed to zip away so that it could then regain altitude and do it again and again and again until it scored a kill. The Japanese planes never got the chance to dogfight against it - they were always the hunted and never the hunters.


18 posted on 07/06/2026 2:14:23 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: fso301

Fighting was done at high altitude in ETO. With no engines to warm the cockpit flying at altitude was miserable. What should have made it exceptional at altitude, turbochargers was actually a point of failure.


23 posted on 07/06/2026 5:38:17 AM PDT by 03A3 (If we can defund the police, we sure as hell can defund the FBI)
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To: fso301

....well, the Germans called it “the fork-tailed devil”
so it must have been somewhat successful in the ETO...
I believe it was quite effective in the Pacific area
of operations because of its range....


24 posted on 07/06/2026 5:43:34 AM PDT by TokarevM57 ( )
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