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To: BroJoeK; SunkenCiv; Seruzawa
It is an interesting concept. I had not been following the analysis on the Puller class, but had been following it in various other trials.

And you are correct. We won't be building 50 modern jeep carriers. But we do need more platforms, IMO.

I don't subscribe to the common notion that many people have, that carriers are not only not needed, but are impossible to defend and are therefore only good for SinkEx usage. That carriers are no longer worth it is not a sound analysis, but some people go so far as to say that all surface ships are obsolete. It ignores the history of warfare innovations on offense followed by counter-innovations on defense. Obviously, If a warship like a Gerald Ford class carrier is caught in the middle of that innovation cycle, it will be disastrous for that warship(s). But just as there is no such thing as an invulnerable ship or weapons system, it is also true that there is no such thing as an offensive weapon that cannot be defended against. This is the history of warfare.

But I don't want to go down that road here, because that is not what this thread is about.

We have been playing around with using our LHA Wasp (less likely) and America (more likely) classes for some time (Since the F-35 became available in greater numbers) outfitting them with F-35s, and if I recall, the results were promising. I found this link:

LINK: The U.S. Military Has ‘Mini Aircraft Carriers’ With F-35s: Meet The America-Class Assault Ship

You are correct to state our Naval Shipbuilding (both maritime and military) is in a moribund state, and the problem has grown so serious for years now that overhauls and refits are far, FAR behind schedule, creating chronic problems with operational cycles, especially, I believe, with submarines.

In the book I mentioned above ("Warship Builders") it is impossible NOT to draw the interwar parallels to 1919-1925 where shipbuilding in America was so anemic that we were in serious national security danger back then, to today's sad state.

In reading it, one can readily see: We have been here before.

But it is an improvement that the Trump administration recognizes this. South Korea and U.S. signed on Friday, November 14, a memorandum of understanding, implementing the agreement announced on July 30, 2025 as this linked article states:

LINK: US, South Korea Unveil Details On Korean Investments In Shipbuilding And Subs

This will serve two purposes: We can begin to upgrade our shipbuilding infrastructure, and with American employees working in shipyard(s) built by Korea, we can begin to build our anemic shipbuilding personnel workforce, which is also shorthanded and in need of expansion. These employees can be a seed crop for other future shipyard expansions. It is an uphill battle for us, as we have let our shipbuilding go so far that it is vital we begin the process.

As an aside, I went to the Maine Maritime Museum in Bath, Maine which builds and does refits on the Arleigh Burke class of destroyers, a class which I think may well be the finest class of destroyers this nation has ever built. We need to get them building soon, whether it is frigates or destroyers.

25 posted on 05/17/2026 10:00:34 AM PDT by rlmorel (Factio Communistica Sinensis Delenda Est)
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To: rlmorel
rlmorel: "You are correct to state our Naval Shipbuilding (both maritime and military) is in a moribund state, and the problem has grown so serious for years now that overhauls and refits are far, FAR behind schedule, creating chronic problems with operational cycles, especially, I believe, with submarines."

Pres. Trump's FY-2027 military budget request is ~$1.5 trillion, about 50% above 2026 levels.
The Navy/Marines share is steady at 25%, while the listed increase of $85 billion is nearly 30% increase.

The shipbuilding portion increases $18 billion (~40%) to $65 billion, and doubtless billions of that will go towards upgrading industrial infrastructure.

Since at least 2020 the Naval Industrial Base has struggled to produce 10 warships and 3 auxiliary ships per year.
AS you noted, it also struggles to maintain the existing active fleet on time & on budget.
Now Pres. Trump's 2027 request funds 18 new warships and 16 new auxiliary ships.
That's asking a lot and should help upgrade industrial infrastructure.

We'll see what Congress does with it.

rlmorel: "But it is an improvement that the Trump administration recognizes this.
South Korea and U.S. signed on Friday, November 14, a memorandum of understanding, implementing the agreement announced on July 30, 2025 as this linked article states:"

Hopefully they'll reopen the old Philadelphia Naval Yard and use it to help build Pres. Trump's Golden Fleet, maybe even Trump class BBGNs?

So, I think things are moving in the right direction, just dread to think what will happen if we get wiped out in November and again in 2028... {sigh}

26 posted on 05/17/2026 6:46:39 PM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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