He Became a Preterist... Then an Atheist... Then This Happened.

YouTube ^ | 4/27/2026 | Joel Richardson

[cuz1961]

He Became a Preterist... Then an Atheist... Then This Happened.

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[delchiante]

When Christ told them that some of them would not taste death before they saw Him Come in His Kingdom, the ‘some’ totaled exactly 3.

Because the three that went up the Mount and got to witness His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
That’s Him in His Kingdom. That’s Him in Heaven.

That’s where Moses and Elijah are.

Those ‘some’ didn’t have to wait till they were dead to experience that.

Everybody else had to.

And has.

That’s the point.

If you believe that there’s people who saw Christ come back to His Kingdom two thousand years ago, when the Old and New Testament hint at a breach in the Kingdom, you are free to believe it.

The births of Zerah and Peres refute that opinion.
So do the about 2,000 cubits Israel was kept from the Ark and the about 2,000 demon possessed swine, or the whole leavened lump, or......

[odawg]

“...the ‘some’ totaled exactly 3...”

You are such an idiot.

Mat. 16:

24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.

26 What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?

27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Observations:

1. Then Jesus said to his DISCIPLES. That is more than three, which is not mentioned at all. You just pulled that out of your ass. You can’t base your theological beliefs out of stuff you merely pull from your ass.

2. In the vision, did Jesus reward each person for what they had done?

3. Were their angels in the vision?

4. After the vison, Peter complained to Jesus that John would be alive to see his return, and Jesus said so what?

[cuz1961]

invented in the early 1800s./

you really seem TO LOVE that LIE !

Your error has been conclusively refuted sooo many times..

..yet like a prog commie Dem you just double down and repeat THE LIE habitually.

You are infected with a TDS like mental disease called DDS

Dispensationalist Derangement Syndrome

The Bible has a verse that describes you perfectly

Proverbs 26:11 -

As a dog returns to his own vomit,
So a fool repeats his folly

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I’ll pray for your healing broham

[delchiante]

Did Peter die?
Did James die?
Did John die?

How about Moses? Is Moses dead?

How the heck did Moses get on that Mount to hang out with Christ if that wasn’t a picture of Christ in His Kingdom?

And only some of His Disciples got to see that.

He even told those three not to even talk about that event until at the time appointed.

I’d ask the same about Elijah, but some think Elijah never died.

That Mount in Israel, for three of His Disciples aka some, was Him Come in His Kingdom.

Again, you don’t want to believe Him having His appearance completely change as a sign of Him in Heaven.

Okay.

But that’s where He and Moses and Elijah and Peter, James and John are now.

Three of them got a glimpse of the Heavenly on the Mount.

They didn’t have to taste death to experience that.

You are trying to put the Mount of Transfiguration as a picture of His returning only, but it was a picture of Him with some of His very alive Disciples in Heaven, while the rest were on the ground having no clue what was happening in Heaven and losing to demons.

If one wants to place the Mount as His returning, look to the Mount in Revelation and the 144,000 who are His First Fruits.

Is that everybody? Or just some? A First Fruits is some.
Did they have to die or are they those who got to not taste death and experience Heaven?

Don’t know, but
What comes next is two harvests recorded.

Those on the Mount were already harvested...

You don’t have to believe any of this.

Just know that the Kingdom on earth today is fully corrupted, and has been.

Because He isn’t Here.
Neither are His First Disciples.

They all had to taste death.

Some day some of His Disciples might not have to taste death and see what Peter, James and John saw:
The Heavenly

But your mileage will vary

[odawg]

You are incohrent. Sadly, since you are the only person on earth who can understand what you are saying, you think everybody can.

[delchiante]

Incoherent?

Seeing the Mount of Transfiguration as a picture of Heaven come to earth is incoherent?

Three of His Disciples got to see that and experience that.

Some. Not all.

Did Christ Say all were going to see Him in His Kingdom preceding the event?

No.

That’s not being incoherent.

That’s following what the scriptures plainly say.

Maybe Christ should have had His face shining and gloriously appareled when He was mistaken as a gardener at the tomb.

Maybe Christ should have done the same for the two on the road to Emmaus, or at the seashore when He appeared to them after His Resurrection.

His Kingdom didn’t ‘come then ‘. He even told His Disciples that it wasn’t for them to know when it would come when He was asked if He was going to restore the Kingdom to Israel,
he said ‘It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority.’

I can bet that they all expected it in their lifetimes and it seems like they were looking to a literal reign for Him, and that hasn’t happened yet.

And it wasn’t to be in their lifetime to be a literal reign on earth.
Why?

Because it seems that New Covenant Israel was going to have to endure their own wilderness journey.

New Covenant Israel was going to experience a fully leavened lump, a bunch of demons hanging out in its tree, even Satan as one of the 12, that He chose.

That’s what has been happening to the Kingdom of Heaven on earth aka the Church.

Corruption.

Thank God it doesn’t stay that way forever.

I probably don’t read the Bible the same way you do.

I sure as heck don’t think these about 2,000 years is pure, or good or heavenly.
I’m expecting them to end, Satan to get locked up for 1,000 years, and for His Kingdom to Come on earth, as it is in Heaven.

The parables of the Kingdom may be completely misunderstood by today’s Church.

What a surprise
/s

[x]

AI says the opposite of “preterism” is “futurism,” so why not “he was a futurist and then evntually he became an atheist.”

People like Bart Ehrman became atheists because they could no longer assume everything in the Bible was literally true as they had assumed.

[odawg]

“Seeing the Mount of Transfiguration as a picture of Heaven come to earth is incoherent?”

The topic is about Christ return to reward and punish. The vision does not fit that.

“Did Christ Say all were going to see Him in His Kingdom preceding the event? No. That’s not being incoherent.”

Well, yes, because no one has even mentioned the subject that gives you the opportunity to deny it. That is incoherence.

“His Kingdom didn’t ‘come then ‘”

Thanks for agreeing with me.

But I can’t read any of the rest of that. Stick with the topic. Jesus said some would not die before he came with his Kingdom and angels with rewards and punishments.

[delchiante]

The topic is about Christ return to reward and punish
....

The topic of that particular statement you referenced, about ‘some standing there ‘,came exactly before the Mount of Transfiguration.

Nothing about reward and punishment was referenced to that particular statement about some standing there wouldn’t taste death.

According to the scriptures.

If you want to talk about what came before He stated the Declaration of ‘some’...
That’s not what was being revealed at the Mount of Transfiguration because only 3 got to experience or receive a reward , unless you believe those 9 were being ‘punished’.

Has He come back to reward and punish and fulfill Mathew 16:27?

Because I suspect that part of the Disciples who were standing there, was to sit on 12 thrones and judge the 12 tribes of Israel, as part of their reward.

Are the 12 tribes of Israel being judged by the 12 Apostles today?

What hasn’t been fulfilled in your version of the Kingdom?

Do you pray for His Kingdom Come on earth as it is in heaven or is that fully fulfilled and no longer needed?

[cuz1961]

A.I. says a lot of crap, doesn’t necessarily make any of it correct.

And that whole “ futurist” title I also reject, not all prophecy is in the future, bunch of it has already been fulfilled so that title doesn’t even make sense IMHO

I see you didn’t watch the whole vid.

The title does lead one to conclude a certain conclusion, but the guy ends up doing the work of a berean and studies more and comes to learn the pre millennial rapture, the promise to Israel will be kept, is sound doctrine.

And is not a recent 1800 invention like the Darby dough heads insist.

[Seven_0]

To follow Dispensationalism is, by definition, to follow a private, modern interpretation that was unknown to the “holy men of God” who actually wrote the New Testament

The numerical structure of scripture was discovered even later than 1830. It is not likely that the “holy men of God” knew about it either. Why do you think that there is no division on that subject? When something is discovered is not a good indicator of whether it is true. There is likely more undiscovered truth in God’s word.

[Cronos]

Cuz, you mention 2 Timothy 2:15 about "rightly dividing the word of truth."

You do realize that dispensationalism WRONGLY DIVIDES THE WORD, "dividing" to literally cut the Bible into pieces—claiming some parts are for "Israel" and some for "the Church."

In the original Greek, orthotomounta (rightly dividing) means "cutting a straight path" or "handling accurately." It doesn't mean creating a "Plan A" and "Plan B" for God’s people. As Ephesians 2:14 says, Christ has made the two (Jew and Gentile) into one.

For 1 Thessalinians 5:20-21 tells you to hold fast to the prophesy of Malachi 1:11: "From the rising of the sun to its setting my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering."

A Question for Reflection:

If prophecy is the "proof of the Gospel,"4 why did the Christians of the first 1,800 years—who faced lions and emperors—never once mention the "litmus test" of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture?

Or could it be that the "prophetic word" is actually about the victory of the Church through suffering, not an escape from it?

[Cronos]

“I’ll even compare pedigrees if you want to.”

That would be interesting considering that the pre tribulation rapture dispensationalism philosophy has only about 200 years of pedigree, about the same as Mormonism.

Let’s look at the Apostolic viewpoint which has nearly 2000 years of pedigree:

The Apostles: Taught one visible return of Christ (Acts 1:11).

The Early Fathers (Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp): Taught the Church would endure the Antichrist and the trial before the end.

The Ecumenical Councils (Nicaea, Constantinople): Formalized the “litmus test” of the Creed: “He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead.” (No mention of a secret pre-tribulation exit).

The Reformers (including John Wesley): While they broke from Rome, they maintained the historic pedigree of a single, final judgment at the end of time.

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If you trace the pedigree of the “Pre-Trib Rapture” or the “Israel/Church” divide, you hit a dead end in the year 1830. Before that, it simply didn’t exist in the DNA of Christian teaching.

If a doctrine isn’t found in the pedigree of the Church for the first 1,800 years, it isn’t “rightly dividing the word of truth”—it’s a genetic mutation of the faith. As 2 Peter 1:20 says, we shouldn’t trust “private interpretations.” We trust the pedigree that was “once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 1:3).

[Cronos]

Seven_0, there is a fundamental difference between discovering a numerical pattern and inventing a new Gospel.

If the ‘undiscovered truth’ of the 1830s contradicts the ‘Faith once delivered to the saints’ (Jude 1:3), it isn’t a discovery—it’s a departure.

Jesus promised the Apostles that the Holy Spirit would lead them into all truth (John 16:13), not that He would hide the most important parts of the story from them for 1,800 years.

[cuz1961]

2Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

So,,,,you are AGAIN saying “ did God really say “ ?

Dog, vomit

And once again you are the one improperly dividing the plain words of the text, accusing others of your crime, just like the progs and demon rats do

and offer as a diversion some presuppositional straw man doctrinal sounding argument.

You really love your vomit don’t you

[Cronos]

Cuz, it has not been refuted because history shows that dispensationalism with its particular pre tribulation rapture and split Covenant did NOT exist before the 1800s. Here is the evidence given to you once more:

1. Figures like Irenaeus and Justin Martyr believed Jesus would return to reign for 1,000 years. However, they all believed the Church would first endure the Antichrist and the Great Tribulation.

2. The idea of a "Secret Rapture" that removes the Church before the Tribulation is entirely absent from any Church Father, Council, or Creed for 1,800 years.

3. If as you claim, dispensationalism with pre tribulation rapture and split Covenant weren't invented in the 19th century, we should be able to find a single commentary or sermon teaching a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture" before 1830. You can't.

4. Sometimes people point to a 7th-century text by Pseudo-Ephraem to claim an early Rapture. However, that text describes the elect being gathered to escape the coming destruction, but it identifies the gathering as part of the singular Second Coming at the end of the world—it does not support the modern "two-peoples, two-destinies" Dispensationalist framework.

[cuz1961]

Same lies, Everytime.

Dog vomit

And you can not be separated from it apparently.

[Cronos]

Cuz, stick to the plain words of Scripture. Look at the most explicit timeline Jesus ever gave. In Matthew 24:29–31, Jesus doesn't describe a secret exit; He describes a singular, visible event:

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds... and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call,."

There is no "plain word" in the Bible that says the elect are gathered before the tribulation. To get a Pre-Trib Rapture, you actually have to "divide" the text so much that you ignore Jesus’ own sequence: Tribulation first, Gathering second.

Christ has One Body, Not Two Plans as dispensationalism claims

The core of Dispensationalism is the idea that God has two separate peoples with two separate destinies (Israel and the Church). But look at the "plain words" of Ephesians 2:14-16:

• Paul says Christ has "made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility."
  
  
• He didn't keep them divided; He created "one new man" in place of the two.
  
  
• The "plain sense" is unity, not a split-level covenant where one group is whisked away while the other stays behind to suffer.

What "Rightly Dividing" Actually Means

When Paul tells Timothy to "rightly divide" (orthotomounta), he is using a metaphor from tent-making or masonry. It means to "cut a straight path." * It is an exhortation to theological honesty, not a command to perform surgery on the Bible to separate "Jewish verses" from "Church verses."

If you have to "divide" the Bible into different sections to make your timeline work, you aren't cutting a straight path—you're building a maze.

dispensationalism violates the "Plain Sense" of History

If the Pre-Trib Rapture is the "plain sense" of the Word, we have to ask a hard question: Why was the pre tribulation rapture invisible for 1,800 years?

From the Apostles to the Martyrs to the Reformers (including John Wesley), no one saw a two-stage coming

The "prophetic word" isn't a secret escape hatch for a select few. It’s the promise that Christ’s one, unified Body—grafted into the promises of Israel—will endure the storm and emerge victorious. The Church isn't a "parenthesis" in God’s plan; she is the fulfillment of it.

Why trade the "Blessed Hope" of a visible victory for a 19th-century "secret" exit?

[Cronos]

Name a single commentary or sermon teaching a “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” before 1830. You can’t

[Cronos]

Ephesians 2:14–16 says Christ has broken down the wall of separation to make "one new man" and reconcile both Jew and Gentile in "one body."

As God has "made the two one" in Christ, why does dispensationalism insist on a "parenthesis" where the Church is removed so God can return to a separate plan for Israel?

Does the Cross's work of unification expire at the Rapture?