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To: ansel12
Ansel, I’m not talking about 'Catholic fantasies'; I’m talking about how the wisdom of the Anglican and Deist founding fathers prevented Protestant bloodshed.

You say 'Protestants created this nation,' but you’re ignoring that those Protestants were at each other’s throats. In the 1770s, the Anglican Protestants in Virginia were throwing Baptist Protestants in jail for preaching without a license. In Massachusetts, the Puritan Protestants had spent a century banning, ear-cropping, and hanging Quaker Protestants.

If America was just 'Protestant worship and Bibles,' it would have ended up like the 30 Years' War in Europe—Christians slaughtering each other.

The 'ozone' you’re dismissing (the Enlightenment and the Constitution) was the only thing that saved the 'Protestant people' from destroying themselves. The Founders (many of whom were Deists,/b>) had to step in and say: 'Since you can’t agree on whose Bible-reading is correct, we are going to build a Secular Republic where NO particular interpretation gets to rule.'

Even your 'English history' didn't start with Luther. The Magna Carta, Habeas Corpus, and the Common Law—the very things that gave those pioneers their 'perception of man and God'—were built by Catholic Barons and Catholic Jurists in the 1200s.

You’re enjoying the fruit of a Catholic legal tree and an Enlightenment legal fence, but you’re giving all the credit to the gardeners. The gardeners were great, but without the fence, they would have killed each other, and without the tree, they wouldn’t have had any fruit to pick.

35 posted on 04/03/2026 5:41:00 AM PDT by Cronos (Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.)
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To: Cronos

LOL, yes I did say Protestants and protestantism created America, because it is fact, Catholics were creating Mexico and many other countries in the new world, and of course they were different from the protestant one, but as we saw here 15 or 20 years ago in the heavy religious discussions, America sticks in the craw of some cult like Catholics here, they seem to despise it and see its history as something to overcome and reshape.


36 posted on 04/03/2026 5:51:35 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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