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To: Miami Rebel

The reason I come to FR is because I genuinely want to know the truth and have as accurate an understanding of the world around me as possible.

One of the things I do when it comes to topics that I truly don’t have an opinion on, is I read through the comments to see....

Are FReepers just making personal attacks and ad hominem arguments?
Are they putting forth countering facts?
Are they correctly describing the other side’s argument?

The only comments I am seeing in this thread are how Owens is a bad person. This is leading me to believe there are no counterfactual arguments and she is likely correct (while possibly still being a bad person).


19 posted on 02/24/2026 6:59:23 AM PST by nitzy (I don’t trust good looking country singers or fat doctors.)
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To: nitzy

Reasonable post.

Candace has presented some complex conspiracy theories with (imho) weak and at best circumstantial evidence.

I do not call her names—I just find her claims unconvincing.

The old rule applies—extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


28 posted on 02/24/2026 7:06:54 AM PST by cgbg ("Your identity is how power treats you.")
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To: nitzy

Well said.


32 posted on 02/24/2026 7:13:13 AM PST by rockwell torrey
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To: nitzy

“This is leading me to believe there are no counterfactual arguments...”

Then you are dumb or just twisted yourself.

Why should I or anyone else take 15 minutes typing out a detailed response to show the evidence that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie and NOT HIS WIDOW?

If you see a dog turn on the sidewalk, do you need a lab analysis and taste test to avoid stepping in it, or can you recognize shit for shit?


49 posted on 02/24/2026 8:07:32 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: nitzy

If you exhibit critical thinking, you risk ad hominem assaults by others, who neither feed, house nor clothe you.

Which begs the question, of why you should give a rat’s ass about someone else’s opinion!


56 posted on 02/24/2026 8:28:58 AM PST by old school
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To: nitzy

If you want to foul your mind reading or listening to CO there are lots of youtube videos. Knock your socks off.
The things she says are so hateful I will neither repeat nor debate them. You might find a sentence you could sell as reasonable but looking for the truth in a midden is not an occupation I would recomend.


60 posted on 02/24/2026 8:45:29 AM PST by JayGalt ( “The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must”.)
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To: nitzy

I guess I would rather Owens complete her unveiling of Macron married to a man before moving on to the next ‘big’ thing. The way this is going I guess Erika Kirk will be responsible for the eventual alien disclosure, 25% tariffs, Republicans losing the mid-terms bigly, and the Guthrie kidnapping into Mexico that triggered the current civil war that is currently hot there.


70 posted on 02/24/2026 9:17:26 AM PST by linedrive ( )
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To: nitzy
The only comments I am seeing in this thread are how Owens is a bad person.

Yeah…sure…Perhaps Candace is correct and The Egyptians were tracking Erika Kirk to Fort Huachuca, were top US military officers and the Israelis planned Charlie’s assassination. You really seem smart.
72 posted on 02/24/2026 9:24:19 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: nitzy
The only comments I am seeing in this thread are how Owens is a bad person. This is leading me to believe there are no counterfactual arguments and she is likely correct (while possibly still being a bad person).

That premise is simply illogical in the light of her numerous well-known dubious and refuted claims. It is in the light of which (including:https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4366161/posts?page=1 https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4363517/posts https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4358725/posts https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4354150/posts https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4362491/posts https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4368106/posts?page=1 that all you seen are aspersions to her character and or content. But if you need some of her claims:


1. Macron‑Brigitte “conspiracy + identity theft” claims (featured on FreeRepublic)

  • Claim:

    • Brigitte Macron is not a woman; she was born male and “transitioned,” she and Emmanuel Macron are blood relatives, and he is using a stolen identity; this is the “biggest political scandal in history.”britannica+1

  • Refutation / status:

    • The Macrons have filed a defamation lawsuit (Delaware, 2025), arguing these are demonstrably false, built on recycled internet rumors, and unsupported by evidence.clarelocke+1

    • Civil‑records and biographical data show Brigitte Macron is a woman born in 1953; no credible investigation backs the “male identity” or “relatives” claims.pbs+1

Status: Conspiracy‑theoretic, defamatory, and legally challenged.


2. “Emmanuel and Brigitte ordered an assassination plot against her”

  • New FreeRepublic‑highlighted claim:

    • Owens alleges French President Emmanuel Macron ordered an assassination plot against her, with Israeli‑operative involvement, and has supplied no evidence.wikipedia+1

  • Refutation:

    • Official sources in France, Israel, and the U.S. have not substantiated any such plot.[en.wikipedia]

    • Critics and antisemitism‑watchers treat this as a reheated conspiracy trope linking Israel, elites, and “traitors,” with no factual basis.adl+1

Status: Unsubstantiated conspiracy; no evidence, and echoing dangerous antisemitic and anti‑elite motifs.


3. Charlie Kirk assassination conspiracy theories (massively expanded on FreeRepublic threads)

a) “TPUSA / Israel plotted Charlie Kirk’s death”

  • Claim (FreeRepublic‑blog/f‑chat threads):

    • Turning Point USA, Israeli‑linked actors, and “zionist‑military” forces orchestrated or enabled Kirk’s assassination.ctc.westpoint+1

    • Calvary Chapels are military‑psych‑ops designed to manipulate Christians into supporting Israel and to facilitate the killing.adl+1

  • Refutation / context:

    • No credible investigation has linked TPUSA, Israel, or churches to the killing; the claims rely on circumstantial tinfoil‑like reasoning (e.g., “military background = operation”).ctc.westpoint+1

    • A free‑Republic blogger explicitly calls this “height of absurdity,” “delusional anti‑Israel ideology,” and “gross negligence and defamation” toward Jack Hibbs and Calvary Chapels.[ctc.westpoint]

Status: Refuted by fact‑based commentators and treated as malignant conspiracy‑defamation.

b) “Charlie Kirk was a time‑traveler controlled by agents”

  • Claim (FreeRepublic f‑chat 4362491):

    • Owens suggests Charlie Kirk was a time‑traveler, with “agents” monitoring him since childhood to “change an outcome,” and killed because he tried to disturb the “space‑time continuum.”[ctc.westpoint]

  • Refutation:

    • These ideas are purely speculative and science‑fiction‑like, with no evidence.

    • Commenters on FreeRepublic note this looks like incipient insanity‑defense posturing rather than rational analysis.[ctc.westpoint]

Status: Not even a “dubious claim”—it functions as a fictional, attention‑driven narrative with no factual anchor.

c) Plaintiffs and legal pushback (TPUSA, Macrons)

  • Fact:

    • Turning Point USA has sent Owens a cease‑and‑desist based on an NDA from her speaking contract, alleging she defamed the organization for far longer than allowed.[ctc.westpoint]

    • TPUSA and the Macrons argue that even when they shared evidence correcting her, she downplayed it and continued spreading false narratives.wikipedia+1

Status: Not just a “refuted claim” but a claim that has prompted legal action and public‑reputation damage.


4. “Something biochemical happens to unmarried women”

  • Claim:

    • Something “bio‑chemically happens” to women who don’t marry or have children, and she cites Sarah Silverman, Chelsea Handler, and Kathy Griffin as evidence.[en.wikipedia]

  • Refutation:

    • No medical or scientific literature supports a universal biochemical change tied to marital status.

    • The claim is widely treated as pseudoscience and gender‑essentialist stereotyping with no data.nupoliticalreview+1

Status: Biological speculation with no empirical basis.


5. Planned Parenthood “79% in minority neighborhoods” + eugenics

  • Claim:

    • 79% of Planned Parenthood clinics are in minority neighborhoods and this is eugenic by design from Margaret Sanger.politifact+1

  • Refutation:

    • The 79% figure is misleading or misapplied; location patterns are driven mainly by need and access [supply and demand], not race‑based extermination.[politifact]

    • Historians and demographers reject the direct [key word] line between Sanger’s eugenics and modern Black‑abortion patterns.wikipedia+1

Status: Misrepresented statistics + over‑simplified history.


6. “Abortion is black‑baby extermination” / “extermination of black babies”

  • Claim:

    • Abortion = “extermination of black babies,” and Planned Parenthood is intentionally targeting Black communities.nupoliticalreview+1

  • Refutation:

    • Black‑population abortion rates highlight deep cultural and structural ruptures, especially the rise of fatherless homes and welfare dependence since the 1960s, which the welfare‑state Left entrenches, rather than a morally neutral ‘health‑care‑access’ story.”

Status: Moral exaggeration rooted in data‑misuse and alarmism.


7. Southern strategy denial

  • Claim:

    • The Republican “Southern strategy” did not happen; it is a “myth.”[en.wikipedia]

  • Refutation:

    • Political historians widely agree the Southern strategy was real: the GOP deliberately appealed to white Southern voters using racially coded language and policy.britannica+1

    • Her testimony is cited as historical revisionism in mainstream biographical sketches.britannica+1

Status: Historically refuted.


8. “Talmudic Jew” / holding up The Talmudic Jew (August Rohling)

  • Claim (FreeRepublic f‑bloggers 4358725):

    • Owens calls Ben Shapiro a “Talmudic Jew”, encourages viewers to read August Rohling’s The Talmudic Jew (1871), and implies the Talmud is a manual of anti‑Christian hatred and swindling Gentiles.[adl]

  • Refutation:

    • Rohling’s book is recognized as a notorious anti‑Jewish polemic, built on medieval libels and out‑of‑context quotes.[adl]

    • Antisemitism watchers treat this as reviving blood‑libel‑style tropes and explicitly call it antisemitic incitement.wikipedia+1

Status: Antisemitic and libelous rhetoric, not a “neutral critique.”


9. Jack Hibbs / Calvary Chapels “assassination‑plot‑linked military‑cult”

  • Claim (FreeRepublic 4354150):

    • Jack Hibbs and Calvary Chapels are linked to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

    • Calvary Chapels are an invention of the military, a psych‑op to manipulate Christians into supporting Israel.[ctc.westpoint]

  • Refutation:

    • The blogger explicitly calls this “height of absurdity,” “delusional anti‑Israel ideology,” and “defamation.”[ctc.westpoint]

    • Historical documentation of the Calvary Chapel movement and Kirk’s own pro‑Zionist stance undercut Owens’s narrative.adl+1

Status: Conspiracy‑defamation grounded in thin or fictionalized evidence.


10. “Israel is the root of global jihadist hatred”

  • Thematic pattern (FreeRepublic‑style critique):

    • Owens often frames the Gaza war and Israel–West relations as the core catalyst of militant Islam’s hatred, implicitly suggesting that removing Israel or U.S. support for Israel would dramatically reduce Islamic‑radical anger.adl+1

  • Refutation (from our earlier geopolitical discussion):

    • Militant‑Islamist and Iran‑Russia agendas are much broader than Israel; jihadist groups target the U.S. and the West even where Israel is not central.responsiblestatecraft+2

    • Thus, blaming everything on Israel is reductionist and ignores the wider ideological and geopolitical drivers.stimson+1

Status: Oversimplification and false‑causality in explaining global jihad.


11. COVID‑19 death‑count / “CDC lying about flu‑deaths”

  • Claim:

    • The CDC “plummeted” flu deaths in 2020 and replaced them with COVID deaths, thus inflating the pandemic’s toll.firstamendment.mtsu+1

  • Refutation:

    • Fact‑checkers rejected the claim as false or misleading; CDC’s methodology and broader data do not support the idea of a massive substitution scam.[firstamendment.mtsu]

    • Courts dismissed her defamation suit against the fact‑checkers, noting their labels did not meet the high bar for defamation.[firstamendment.mtsu]

Status: False or misleading claim adjudicated by fact‑checkers and the judiciary.



- perplexity.ai/s
91 posted on 02/24/2026 11:52:42 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: nitzy

basically she is functioning as an Islamist plant, as is Tucker Carlson. The gravest threat currently going is the islamist insurgency in this country, called the red-green allince.See Mamdani. if that’s not crushed out of existence by Constitutional means in very short order, we’re going the way of Europe. Candace Owens is beyound a fellow traveller. It doesn’t even matter what Erika Kirk is or isn’t.


99 posted on 02/24/2026 12:47:25 PM PST by sopo
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To: nitzy
The only comments I am seeing in this thread are how Owens is a bad person. This is leading me to believe there are no counterfactual arguments and she is likely correct (while possibly still being a bad person).

You certainly have a better approach than a lot of the posters on here. However, I'll point out that just because the knee-jerk Freepers on here can't be bothered to present arguments doesn't mean there aren't any. I've been listening to Owens for a while with an open mind. She certainly has documented some strange things that no one has bothered to explain. I'm convinced that the TPUSA people are shady, and possibly Erika, too, but to what extent, I don't know.

I would also like to point out that, if you listen to Owens, you'll see that she doesn't make half the claims that her detractors credit her with. She'll document, for example, the presence of Egyptian planes at various airports near TPUSA events over some period of time and say "Isn't that a really odd coincidence? Is something going on there?" and detractors will immediately seize on that and scream "Oh my God oh my God! Candace Owens thinks the Egyptians were working with Erika Kirk to assassinate Charlie! Omigodzzzzzz!" So far, most of Owens's words have been greatly exaggerated in order to discredit her, which is a form of intellectual dishonesty that I find repulsive.

Now, this new stuff, well, I'll have to wait and see what's going on.
100 posted on 02/24/2026 1:04:52 PM PST by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: nitzy

Do your own research genius. If you can’t realize that Candace is a vile person on your own, then there is nothing we can do to help you.


107 posted on 02/24/2026 3:58:17 PM PST by ohioman
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To: nitzy

People reacting to vile, nonsensical things as being vile and nonsensical makes them true? That’s an extraordinary leap.


109 posted on 02/25/2026 7:03:25 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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